Talk:Naomi Wolf

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Contents 1 Biography assessment rating comment 2 Discussion 3 Books... 4 Paglia 5 Anorexia numbers 6 Picture! 7 Given that she wrote "End of America", I wonder if she's watched Babylon 5 8 Criticism 9 Vandalism

[edit] Biography assessment rating comment

WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 15:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

This article comes off as very subjective to me. It's loaded with more criticism of Wolf than of her own positions and cites no responses by her to the criticism presented. Just an observers POV, who came to learn more about someone they'd heard of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.214.235 (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I attempted to make the final paragraph in this article neutral by changing "gone off her rocker" with "involved with scandal." However, I know very little about this controversy so am unable to tell if the facts presented are correct and neutral. Sdoles

I made a lot of changes to make this article NPOV and factual, mostly changing the discussion of the "earth tones" and "alpha male" flaps, including removing a quote incorrectly sourced to Time magazine. I think this article is NPOV now, let me know if you disagree. protohiro 22:52, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Protohiro: Were your changes reverted? From my reading of the section Political Consultants I get the distinct impression that it's loaded with weasel words and phrases. Though Time Magazine is mentioned ("Wolf [was] paid a salary of $15,000 a month…in exchange for advice on everything from how to win the women’s vote to shirt-and-tie combinations.") the article is not referenced nor does the quotation parenthesized above have a link. e.g. the quote is unsourced. Indeed the only reference on this section comes from a single apparently biased source. The tone of the section would be greatly improved by removing POV heavy language and catch phrases. I do not want to throw a POV tag, but would appreciate a neutral set of eyes on this section. BingoDingo (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Books...

I think it is best to just list the books in chronological order and focus on general themes of the career. If certain books have some notability beyond their content (special controversy, etc.) then that might deserve a mention. -- 71.156.102.142 07:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paglia

I don't like Camille Paglia and her work in the least, but the reference to her first book as "pseudo scholar" -- whether true or not -- and her lecture at MIT as "infamous" violates the attempt by Wikipedia to offer the most neutral point of view possible. Wikipedia is no place for propaganda or polemics.

I fully agree with the preceding paragraph. Pagli’s spiel should not have a place here. I just read an article by Naomi Wolf, and such saying as “ccannot write a coherent paragraph” or “cannot do historical analysis” is just untrue rhetoric to badly make a point.

[edit] Anorexia numbers

Hi, I am wondering whether the number for anorexia victims must not be confirmed by a independent third party source (neither Wolf or Summers) in order for it to be a NOPV to state that the actual number is closer 100?

Until then I think it is enough to say that wolf's account has been challenged.

best regards [Unknown writer]

//There occured a mistake in that article section: in the quote from Baumgardner we read the words "...estimate of than 100...". It was not clear to me what precisely the sentence should look like ( I am not a native speaker of English), perhaps "more/not more/less" or wahtever is to be added, or is it more than just one word missing ?

Regards147.142.186.54 16:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

WOW....First of all the 150,000 number doesn't need any "third party source" to be dismissed. I'd also like to see any evidence that anyone prior to Wolf had used this fabrication. Just curious.

SPCGuru 24-Mar-08

[edit] Picture!

I think this article would look a lot nicer with a picture, and would help demonstrate that she is one of the younger feminists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.248.96.12 (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Given that she wrote "End of America", I wonder if she's watched Babylon 5

Wait wait, hear me out! A major plot thread for most of the later seasons involved the establishment of a dictatorship, and the characters reaction to it. I would have liked to ask her how well the fictional version fits the 10 steps. Included are use of propaganda and complete control of the media, and the setting up of a secret police (Nightwatch). --Athcnv (talk) 19:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

I have removed the prolix non-sequiturs from the criticism section. Sommer's criticism is now made, and then most of the remaining text is devoted to rebutting Sommer's criticism.

The quote from the National Institute of Mental Health and the Eating Disorders Foundation do not actually address the dispute (the number of deaths per year). The latter refers to the number of women afflicted by the disease. Sommers did not address this matter. The former seems to say that those individuals with anorexia are ten times more likely to die than individuals without anorexia. Again, Sommers did not address this matter.

--Tom Joudrey (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Nowhere in this source [1] does it talk about Wolf "reveling in her rolls of fat, her rotund chunkiness, and her corpulent overflowing girth." Whoever added that, thanks for giving fodder to Wolf and her criticisms. This is exactly the type of mean-spirited nonsense she writes about. Uwmad (talk) 16:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)