User talk:Nagisa

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Hi Nagisa. Could you provide a source for the fact that Ted Menzies duties have been changed? According to this CBC article, his role as parliamentary secretary to the minister for international cooperation had been announced on Monday as well. That is, It supplemented rather than replaced his other responsibilities.
Can you provide a news source which says that he is no longer responsible for La Francophonie? Thanks (and welcome again to Wikipedia), --Saforrest 00:26, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
My source is having misread a document at Harper's official website. Sorry about that! It has already been corrected.
I'm still kinda new here -- I've only worked on 4 articles in all the time I've been signed on.Nagisa

[edit] Warren Glowatski

Why in the world did you put a POV tag in the Glowatski article???? It is neutral. TripleH1976 00:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I was concerned about some subtleties -- for example the idea that Glowatski "admitted" that his interest in certain kinds of music fuelled his partnership with Kelly Ellard. Many people are sceptical of the claims that music can cause violent behaviour, and it's possible Glowatski is looking for some kind of scapegoat, so I changed it to "says." I made a couple of other similar changes.
But there's quite a bit left that needs changing, though I wasn't sure the appropriate tag. I haven't read the single source text for this article, but I found myself wincing. I'd really like some kind of more specific citation (maybe a page number?) for an analysis of Warren's parents' marital difficulties. Overall, I kept wondering -- are these things that the people in the article have actually said, things a biographer has decided, or things the author of the article has decided based on a biography. There's little direct quotation or footnoting, so I was never sure.
Other things are clearly impossible for any biographer to know, and I've been thinking how to reword them. We have "The victim, Reena Virk, bruised and bleeding, staggered across the bridge to make her way home." I grew up one block from where Virk was attacked, and even though her home was in Saanich, I don't think her reason for crossing the bridge can be assumed. Given where she was attacked, her only option was to cross the bridge or cross the Trans-Canada Highway, and there is frequently no break in the traffic. She may have had no other option than to cross the bridge.
I guess these are minor things, but they accumulate. The way the article was written, it really does read like a Made-for-TV movie, which makes me suspicious of the source text. Crime Non-fiction frequently slips towards the sensationalistic. We have a couple of teenagers turned to violence by rap music, suddenly start attacking this woman for no reason (except presumably the music), the woman runs for home but is caught.
But all this is so much more complicated. The article virtually ignores the culture of violence that is so prevalent in the area. I don't know anyone who attended Shoreline and didn't get brutally beaten -- the gangs calling themselves "The Crips" and "The Bloods" (probably no real affiliation) are a good indication of that. Among locals, the only real surprise is that it took so long for a Shoreline student to actually get killed.
It's also been suggested that racism played a role, which the article doesn't touch on at all -- Virk may have been killed (or violence against her considered more acceptable) because she wasn't white. I also heard from a witness at the trial that the girls who attacked Virk had accused her of sleeping with another girl's boyfriend.
I put the NPOV tag on because I wasn't sure what to do with it -- there's no "this article is two-dimensional and sensationalistic" tag. It's difficult to sort out rumour and opinion and reality in a case like this for so many reasons, and I just didn't feel that the article as it stood did this successfully. Nagisa 08:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)