Talk:Naga Jolokia pepper

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[edit] Main Picture is Authentic and Freely Available

The photo in this article is the same as the one in the wikipedia, except sans attribution.

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/21815 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.116.132 (talk) 21:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to get a photo of Bih Jolokia. - User:psneog

The main photo of the Naga Jolokia peppers that has been uploaded to Wikipedia is my own photo which I have released into the public domain. I took it when I was in Tezpur India on the 11th of October 2006. I cropped this photo from a larger photo and can produce the larger un-cropped original on request to prove I took the picture. The other website must have taken it from Wikipedia without crediting me. - Gannon

[edit] Pure capsaicin

I corrected the incorrect 15,000,000 SU remark with the corrected 16,000,000 SU rating.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peak203 (talk • contribs) .

Pure Capsaicin is 15,000,000 SHUs. ppm is multiplied by 15 to get SHU. ergo, 1 million ppm = 15 million. -- Bovineone 06:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I've recently been researching capsaicin for a paper and I've seen both, but the 1.5x10^7 number is the only one used in peer-reviewed journals. I'll cite a few when I have a second. In the meantime, let's use 15,000,000 just to be internally consistant with Capsaicin --horsedreamer 15:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
It's mathematically impossible for 1:15 conversion to result in anything more than 15,000,000. Links have been made regularly to ASTA method 21.1; here is one citation worthy example http://www.zarc.com/english/cap-stun/tech_info/oc/hplc.html Letting things such as this, that are BLATANTLY wrong, stand, simply detracts from the accuracy of the information offered here. I don't care how many times someone can cite a web page that states the inaccurate figure, it's still wrong.Tina Brooks

[edit] NPOV, Accuracy claims

I've added the NPOV, since all of the text that suggested the possibility of measurement inaccuracy has been removed without citing any additional sources. Is there any new evidence or published reports to suggest this change? -- Bovineone 06:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] words over the image

why the words over the image? it's not very professional... i'd rip them off. --Lo'oris - ロホリス 12:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I've already asked the original uploader if it was possible to upload a larger image that did not include the text, but he said he was unable to (see User_talk:Skoppensboer). Maybe someone else could find a better quality image. -- Bovineone 01:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

If someone wants to tell me how to upload the pics, I have some great pics of nagas. -- Tina Brooks

There is an "Upload file" link at the left. --80.63.213.182 12:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Updated the Picture

I just got back from Tezpur. I bought the peppers and then took this photo in my Hotel room in Tezpur. The peppers were confirmed to be the Naga Jolokia by many locals. Gannon

[edit] External link

www.openrecordbook.com The Open Record Book has a small article here about this chili pepper. Should it be included in this article somewhere?--Leo628 13:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so, their article is completely unsourced as far as I can see and doesn't provide any useful details that aren't already in the article. --Monotonehell 19:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Please don't spam this page. Skopp (Talk) 19:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing info?

This juices that this pepper excretes are known to produce a burning sensation on contact with human skin, usually occuring once the pepper is cut/sliced/diced. I know this is true from both first hand experience and reading it, but I have been unable to source the information or find a source which adequately describes the chemistry behind this. Perhaps someone knows of one. Smooth0707 01:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

That's true of any plant that contains capsaicin, and is simple common sense. Note: this is not a general chat page. Skopp (Talk) 03:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Dorset Naga

For my comments on this, go the Dorset Naga talk page. Skopp (Talk) 03:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The name Bhut Jolokiya

The article explains the name as: Bhut = 'ghost', probably due to its ghostly bite or introduction by the Bhutias from Bhutan poison chili. However, the two explainations contradict each other.

The reason why not both can be true is that bhut "ghost" is spelled with regular t (ত) while the country name Bhutan is written with retroflex t (ট). In India, these sounds are considered as distinct as are D and T in English.

So the question is really how the name of the chili is written: if it is ভুট জলকীয়া, then the Bhutia explanation is correct, yet if it is ভুত জলকীয়া, then the name must mean "ghost chili". 87.123.75.177 17:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Its "ghostly bite?" That's kind of a stretch as far as word choice. 76.22.201.109 16:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naga Jolokia and Dorset Naga

Are Naga Jolokia and Dorset Naga different? On the Scoville Scale page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoville_scale) it says 'The Red Savina™ pepper, one of the hottest chilis, is rated at 580,000 SHU. Only Naga Jolokia and Dorset Naga are hotter.' This suggests they are different both the pages it link to seem to contain exactly the same information. Are they in fact the same pepper? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.154.28.46 (talk • contribs).

The Dorset Naga is claimed to simply be a "cultivar" of Naga Jolokia, though it is unclear how significant the genetic differences (if any) are between the two. I think the growers of the Dorset Naga have freely admited that they used the Naga Jolokia. The reported differences in scoville measurements between the two are within reasonable experimental measurement range, so perhaps they are simply two names for the same thing. -- Bovineone 21:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


Not only are Naga Jolokia and and the Dorset Naga distinct strains, but the Bih and Bhut are also distinct. Here is a side by side comparison

"Bih Jolokia, a slightly more compact plant which holds about 70 to 80 fruit. Fruits are about 2" to 3" long,

"Bhut Jolokia, taller and a little more stretched with a disappointing amount of fruit, maybe 20 to 30. We hand pollinated the first fruits that seemed to grow really well. Fruit on the Bhut Jolokia are typically between 3" to 31/2" long." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shockingelk (talk • contribs) 06:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Love and Pride"

represented by the aggressive temperament of the warriors of neighbouring Naga Community. is a prejudiced statement that the Nagas have 'aggresive temperament' and that they are 'warriors' implying in today's context violent and extremist. This hurts the sentiments of the Nagas. There fore this may please be modified as "possibly stemming from the love and pride the Naga Community have for the chili."

  • You need to give us a source for this change. We cannot change the encyclopedia because you don't like it. Also, please sign your posts here. Skopp (Talk) 14:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This chilli is eaten?

The pepper is used as a spice in food or eaten alone.

How could this chilli possibly ever be eaten alone? Can anyone cite a source for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.170.134 (talk) 08:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

See this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvK2Y1hv9mY -- SonicAD (talk) 04:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
This chilli is used as a spice in food in the Manipur state of India, where it is known as Oomorok (meaning, tree pepper). It is put in generous amount in a dish made out of mashed boiled potatoes with added fermented fish, to make it really hot. The dish is called eromba in Manipuri language. The hottest form in which it is eaten, is in pickled form. The pickle is so hot that just licking the pickle oil with your finger makes your tongue hot! I am living in the midst of a community of Manipuris who love this chilli. --Tabish q (talk) 18:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Content called into question

I've noted that the section entitled "Uses" is a verbatim replication of the text located here: http://www.taste whatshot.com/ jolokia.html.

I don't know which came first, the Wiki edit or the tastewhatshot.com page, I am merely bringing this to someone else's attention. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.95.36.13 (talk) 23:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Our page came first, and I wrote most of it, so I know. I've despammed the link by breaking it up. ► RATEL ◄ 01:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is really Naga Morich the same as Bhut Jolokia?

Webs like The Chilli Seed Company or Semillas La Palma seem to suggest that Naga Morich is not actually the same cultivar as Bhut Jolokia. --83.50.137.44 (talk) 22:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)