Talk:Nadine Baggott

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This article was nominated for deletion on 9 September 2007. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Contents 1 Nominated for Speedy Deletion 2 Advertising 3 Quality, Veracity and Authenticity of Article 3.1 Link / Reference issues 3.2 The Subject Says 3.3 How Old is Nadine? 3.4 Infobox 4 Vandalism of Article 5 NPOV / Feedback Requested

[edit] Nominated for Speedy Deletion

I believe that the article fails to assert the importance or significance of the subject.

Ms Baggott's principle "achievement" to date seems to have been a single award, in 2004, for thinking up a clever title for an edition of the british magazine Hello. The title was recognised by the jasmine awards, which seems to be specifically aimed at that subset of the advertising and marketing industry that writes about perfumes. This seems to be a small prize in a little pond!

Additionally, the article has dubious or unverifiable sources both for the age and birthplace of the subject, and contains other unverified information. I believe that if this information were removed, it would almost collapse into a list of links. Furthermore, the article frequently attracts vandalism. DMcMPO11AAUK 01:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising

This "lady" describes herself on the Olay Regenerist adverts as being a "Celebrity Beauty Editor". My question is this: editor of what?

In response to that anonymous contributor, apparently "Hello Magazine". DMcMPO11AAUK 05:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quality, Veracity and Authenticity of Article

Is it better, when referring to a person in their bio, to use he / she, their full name, their first name, or their last name? DMcMPO11AAUK 01:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

• I found the answer to that in a wiki style guide somewhere - surname. DMcMPO11AAUK 11:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link / Reference issues

The link for footnote 1 is no longer valid. The link for footnote 2 is a message board of dubious value as a source. The link for footnote 3 is no longer valid. DMcMPO11AAUK 01:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Subject Says

Due to my concerns about the quality of the article, I went to NB's own website and used the link there to ask her questions about her date and place of birth, career and cats.

The following is the text of the reply I received, I believe this to be authentic:

I've therefore corrected the place of birth and deleted the reference to the cats, tidied up the career information, removed the "media training" comment and reference as I don't think it's normal in a wiki bio to list commercial vocational training that a subject has undertaken. I'm wondering how I can cite an email that I received as a source of information for an article though? DMcMPO11AAUK 11:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How Old is Nadine?

I can't find any reliable information about her age / year of birth. For the time being, I see no reason not to leave it at "circa 1964" as given by the original page author, but some verification is needed. Suggestions on various blogs are that she is much older than if she had been born in 1964, but I've not found any discussion in those blogs, or links posted in them, that I would be prepared to cite as a reference. DMcMPO11AAUK 11:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

The information in the infobox is, as far as I can tell, accurate. It's been verified by myself either by direct communication with the article subject or her representatives, or from trusted web sources. If and when further information develops, if the page is not deleted, I'll try and remember to update the box. This is part of my two-pronged "if we don't delete it we need to fix it" strategy. Having said that, I think I've just about exhausted resources on this subject. DMcMPO11AAUK 00:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism of Article

Whilst I agree that the adverts she appears in are irritating, and she presents the product in what I would describe as a condescending manner, I don't feel that they justify the continued and repetitive minor vandalism of the article.

I'm removing the inference in the article that she has suffered brain damaged due to botox injections. Wikipedia is about facts. If you wish to assert that [personality] has suffered [medical condition] as a result of [cosmetic treatment] then you should cite.

Comments such as "These ostentatious titles for her feline companions are due to the brain damage that occurred during one of Nadine's routine botox injections. To prevent fine lines and wrinkles on her Siamese cats, Nadine smothers pentapeptides over their skin to prevent premature aging caused by their frequent trips to Ibiza." are not appropriate in a bio!

Maybe we need a category "Personalities in irritating adverts" DMcMPO11AAUK 05:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Further to my previous comments, removed statement that the adverts she appears in are "extremely irritating" - it's personal opinion and not suited to biographical articles. DMcMPO11AAUK 05:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm reverting the following:

She currently appears in a series of adverts for Olay Regenerist face cream, which are regularly featured in polls of "the worst TV ads". Quite a few internets sites have pooped up critising Nadine and her adverts.

to the original:

She currently appears in a series of adverts for Olay Regenerist face cream.

If you want to make the assertion that a specific advert is "one of the worst tv ads" you should cite a reputable source of such information, such as a poll by a recognised trade association within the advertising world.

You're entitled to your opinions about ms B and her adverts, just as I'm entitled to mine, but neither of us is entitled to compromise the integrity of WP by using a bio to make personal attacks. DMcMPO11AAUK 00:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Yet another revert, this time of the previously reverted statement that NB is married to Barry Scott - Barry Scott is a fictional character appearing in adverts for the cleaning product "Cillit Bang".

Obviously real people can not be married to fictional people. DMcMPO11AAUK 23:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV / Feedback Requested

I've made reference in the article to both the negative commentary that has appeared on various sites relating to the Olay Regenerist advert, and to various companies quoting articles by NB as endorsements for products or services that they supply. I believe that I've managed to maintain NPOV throughout. I believe that unless a substantial trustworthy new source of information appears the article contains all that is currently discoverable about the subject, and I still feel that it's more deserving of deletion than anything else. DMcMPO11AAUK 22:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I've made a request for feedback to check for NPOV. DMcMPO11AAUK 16:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)