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[edit] Authenticity
As far as the arrogance goes, it is a well documented fact, anyone who read or heard Nadeem would know, his language, and attitude was very negative. He has called his peers and seniors band masters and what not, not sparing anyone, in print (refer Cineblitz or Filmfare), which is not common in Indian film industry. Even the less modest people dont stoop to that level. Not writing this would amount to being unauthentic, and if positive aspects can be written, so should his negative ones. Another point is, that the existing article was never NPOV, as it has lines like "the duo were No 1 in the 90s" which is again very debatable and without basis, and seems to be written by someone who has a bias for them. Would recommend one works towards making it informative article, not a fan's version.
Hi I am Praphul O. I completely disagree with above statements about Nadeem Shravan. I request moderator to remove the above biased statements against Nadeemji. Thank you. Praphul O. Website: www.praphul.net
Individual disagreements can not change facts. I restate, that I would recomment the artical be made informative, not a fan's version. Nadeem's negative aspects are well known (references are there, to cite from, some of which are mentioned above, but one can refer any film manazine carrying their interview, or any TV show), they too need to be mentioned. This artical is not a forum for his fans to exhibit their love for him, but one that informs those who wish to find out about him. There are many sites and magazines for the fans, suggest the above mentioned uses them for that purpose. AJ
Dear AJ,
I think you personally hate Nadeemji. Nadeem Shravan are famous for their music. There is no need to post any unwanted comments about Nadeemji or Shravanji here. I think your only intention is to highlight negative aspect of Nadeem Shravan here. There are many people who like their music; it will definitely hurt their feelings. History will remind Nadeem Shravan as a talented music director. You should not post messages based on gossips in magazines.
With LOVE, Praphul O
If you think gulshan Kumar murder was gossip, or their calling LP band masters was that, you need to check teh meaning og Gossip. Indian Police, with core evidence had accused him, it is a one and only example of a music director being accused. And hyou want to not mention it???? They come on TV and say ill things about others, and that is gossip Additionally, I insist, that this is not a forum for fans to satisfy their feelings. Facts will not change, and this is an encyclopedia, it has to state what is true. If something bad is true about say Amitabh bachchan, I, or any fan, can not deny it, from being written. They can at best, not read it. Let it be an authentic document. They were successful, and thus good, but had bad attitude, and that has to be documented. AJ
Dear AJ,
By tracking your IP, I found you have posted an article for Anu Malik http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anu_Malik by glorifying him. If your aim is to continuously post message against Nadeem Shravan and glorify Anu Malik, I can't help you. I have already sent a complaint against you to wikipedia.
With LOVE, Praphul O.
I think you are taking this personally. Let me clarify, I have NOT glorified, or for that matter even posted any article on Anu Malik.
I only try to contribute to existing articles, by adding or editing information, to improve them. Which is the sole purpose of Wikipedia. I believe artical on anyone (be it Laxmikant Pyarelal, Nadeem Shravan or for that matter Anu Malik) were written by various people. I only contribute to the ones I feel needing editing. Hence, there may be a couple of lines I added, at max, in the mentioned article. Most of it is by others.
I just re-read the article you accuse me of "writing" (Anu Malik). I think anyone can tell it has enough negatives in it (copy cat, Plagarism, for example) in it. Please read it carefully and you will realise what I am saying. You want to remove ALL negatives about Nadeem Shravan, which is unacceptable. Please refer the artical on Himesh Reshamiya, I read it a while back, it too has portions which are negative.
It is you who is glorifying somone (by writing debatable things like "No 1 in the 90's" and hiding facts like Gulshan Kumar Murder, which are a fact, and should be told)
Also, since you think you are autherised to track people, I suggest you go back and see, who had written the part about Gulshan Kumar murder. It was there much before I even added anything. So it is not my "comment" as you call it.
Remember, people are humans, they have positives and negatives, be mature, accept facts.
You are free to complain to anyone you like. This is an open source.
I should be complaining about you infact, for hiding facts and writing false information, which amnounts to vandalism.
Ref: http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/sep/14nandy.htm it is by Pritish Nandy, it clearly mentions the arrogance of Nadeem (8th paragraph). Hope it is a good enough reference.
AJ
Dear AJ,
Thank you for your reply. I am not satisfied by your explanation. I didn't try to hide Gulshan Kumar murder case. I didn't delete it. But no court in this world proved Nadeemji is guilty. I know about Nadeemji's bold attitude. It’s a part of his character. I personally believe he paid a big value for his attitude. We still don't know the truth. We should listen to him also. In so many interviews he talked about his innocence. If you really want to post these things here, why can't you post his side also?
I didn't post they were No1 in the 90's. But it’s a known fact that they have so many hit albums in 90's. So I believe there is nothing wrong in calling them as No 1 music directors of 90's. They have again proved their talent by hit albums like Raaz, Ek Rishta, Kassor, Yeh Dil Ashiqana, Andaaz & so many other albums. They have majority of songs sung by Kumar Sanu and songs written by Sameer. They proved their versatility in the album Pardes, songs were written by Anand Bakshi. They have many hits songs sung by other leading singers like Udit Narayan, S.P. Balasubrahmaniyam, Sonu Nigam & Abhijeet. I didn't find any information about these facts here.
I found you have blamed them for plagiarism. Their tunes and orchestration was a source of inspiration for many other composers. For example their song “Sochenge Tumhe Pyar..” is copied for song a Tamil movie Aaaha. This song is sung by legendary singers Hariharan and Chithra. If they copied, their songs also copied by others. You have to mention these facts also here.
Today I found somebody posting messages with the user name Prafulo. This user name is similar to my name and user name. Now I have a strong doubt about the intention behind some people contributing here. I strongly believe people want to make a negative impression about Nadeem Shravan here. We have to make this world a better place to live by helping each other. Today I am busy with my work. I will post messages here when I get time.
With LOVE,
Praphul O
No 1 in the 90s is not acceptable, simply put. 90s had hits like Roja, like Baazigar, 1942 a love story, Border, to mention a few. Plus, it restricts the view. By saying they were successful, one covers the facts. But No 1 effectively means all the others (be it Laxmikant Pyarelal, who were inspitation to NS) Anu Malik, AR Reheman, RD Burman, Anand Milind or Jatin lalit, were second to them, which isnt anyway true. Are you forgetting DDLJ? Point is, they were one of the successful duo, not No 1 by any chance.
Regarding murder, you can add a line about his claiming innocence, but the charge was not by a road side person, but by the police, and it is still pending. If you refer the link I posted, it also mentions his arrogance (you try to delete that too). Maybe he was charged just because of it, or maybe he was behind it. But it is true that thereafter T-Series effctively banned them, if you see the cover of Pardes, it doesnt mention the music directors. Also true is a fact that he fled the country after this charge, why? to avoid being arrested isnt it? He wouldnt have been hanged, noone in India has been hanged for a charge. We have courts. Sanjay Dutt has faced this, why did he flee? Just becuase he wasnt convicted doesnt mean this fact shouldnt be mentioned. It is a serious allegation, and the case goes on. So, it needs mention.
Pardes, Anand Bakshi was the lyrisist, not because of NS, but because (if you have some knowledge of Indian movies) Subhash Ghai always PREFERED LP and Anand Bakshi. He replaced LP but still retained Anand Bakshi.
You can add the line of copying by Tamil movies. But by deleting what THEY copied, you are trying to glorify them. With the albumns that you umentioned, they merely made a come back, but there was nothing new, plus they were all newcomer movies.
I dont want to go on with this, but I suggest you read the page on Laxmikant Pyarelal, and someothers. You will get an idea (I didnt write them by the way). You cant use words like "No 1" and "best" as they are too debatable. Think over it, if they cant be used for LP, how can you use it for NS? LP ruled (so to speak) for 30 odd years. with 4 filmfares in a row. Point is, this is an encyclopedia, meant to inform only. So, no glorifying your heros please. you can hand their posters in your room, post your feelings on blogs, but not here.
AJ
Dear AJ,
Kindly read my message properly. I think there is no use of replying you. Now I can understand your intention.
With LOVE,
Praphul O.
Thats fine with me. Your intentions are pretty clear from your actions. For the record, I restate, if there is something "missing" you should add it, not delete what you dont like. AJ
Dear AJ,
Kindly compare article posted by me and you. You have made changes in the formatting , added some wrong informations and deleted my contributions. You don't have good knowledge about Nadeem Shravan. Tips repleased Pardes. Nadeemji's first album was Sayesha. If you add some wrong information and add message to attack someone personally,as per wikipedia's rule I can delete the contents. Your only intention is to make problem here. Still I don't know why you have this much hatred feelings towards Nadeem Shravan? Thank you.
With LOVE,
Praphul O.
Wrong information posted by you: 1. No 1 in the 90s 2. Gulshan Kumar murder.. 3. you evern remove the line about his trying to become a singer? Which was one of the reasons behind his problem with Gulshan Kumar.
It is you who is removing information which is true, just because you dont like it. You delete the fact that Kumar Sanu sang with a nasel voice for them, which is a fact. They themselves stated in every interview that they like Sameer only. Non of what I have written is false. Try to think from a neutral point of view. You are trying to hail them to the skies. read the article on Sanjay Dutt. Does it mention his jal days???? Why cant we mention Gulshan Kumar murder?
You try to delete the whole thing on Gulshan Kumar. And on top of it, you claim no court has found him guilty. Do you realise, that he is absconding, refusing to appear in court in India? How can he be found guilty if he doesnt appear in court? it is not about an accusation, but his reaction, running to UK, and refusing to come back, which raises questions. It is not for me to decide, if he is guilty, maybe like Pritish nandy (in that link I posted) says he maybe innocent, just caught becsause of his arrogance, but, why did he run away? He is not the first celebrity to get accused. Navjyot Sidhu, Salman Khan and even Sanjay Dutt, all have been accused of murder or even worse, charged under TADA (Sanjay Dutt). Non of them fled the country. They all appear in court as directed by the law of India.
Hence, even if, hypothetically, he appears in court, and gets cleared, the fact that he ran away, and refused to come back for so long, always remains a thing he will be judged by. I have nothing personal against him, or his music, like you there are many who like his (or their) music. I suggest you write more about their music, style and such things if you like. But by deleting, your intention is clear.
As for their first albumn, it is not me who wrote what is written there (remember, I said clearly, i havnt written this, or any article, I only added some lines). It was there prior to my contribution. Even after pardes there were albums released, with music on T-Series, which didnt carry their name. (Saat rang Ke Sapne for example). The reason was obvious.
AJ
Hi everybody,
When somebody read AJ's replies without reading my messages, they think AJ is right. I kindly request everybody to go through history and my replies to AJ. AJ is dedicated his entire life to give negative publicity to Nadeem Shravan.
With LOVE,
Praphul O.
www.praphul.net
I think I tried my best, to explain to you, how to not be a biased fan and consider everything "negative publicity". But you are beyond any possible range of understandability.
YOu think all the people who contributed to this article are biased, only you are right, by deleting negative things. Thanks for your time, atleast I tried. But I guess I cant argue with a person who is bent upon glorifying someone to any extent.
Guys,
This person has a phobia, suspects anyone who writes something which he doesnt like (refer his relies above). He doesnt realise that this article as it is, is a contribution of 100s or more people, not me alone. And that everyone can not be conspiring to give what he calls negative publicity.
AJ
[edit] Article needs cleanup
The talk page for this article was only occupied by some Random character vandalism; I have been bold and removed it. Also, someone has added info of an incredibly negative nature about Nadeem-Shravan to the article. Info about the team's supposed arrogance, how they have a "complete lack of versatility," and how "most people now regard their music as outdated" doesn't seem very NPOV to me. It sounds like it was inserted by someone with a personal grudge against N-S, or who really hates their music. This info first needs to be verified; if it is untrue, or even based on stuff like hearsay and rumour, then it needs to be removed, pronto. Gujuguy 02:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] WikiProject class rating
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