Talk:Nackt Radtour

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[edit] Image removed

I have removed Image:NRT6 2001.jpg from the article under our Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy. Its inclusion here is entirely gratuitous and not in furtherance of writing a good encyclopaedia article. As is demonstrated by the article as it now stands, it is quite possible for the article to tell readers that children attended the event without having to include pictures of the actual children themselves. It is unnecessary and inappropriate to have pictures that specifically and clearly identify the individual children. This is an encyclopaedia, and these children are real people. They are not public figures, and unlike adults are not capable of either defending their own rights or giving consent. It is unacceptable to personally identify them. Please note that any attempt to edit war or to re-include this image without making a strong and compelling case beforehand that these specific children need to be personally identified in an encyclopaedia article about a bicycle race will lead to loss of editing privileges. Uncle G 13:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

• I believe the *3* IfDs [1] this image has underwent with incredible consensus to keep is enough compelling evidence. -N 17:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Then you are highly confused about the decision being made here, which is whether this image is appropriate for this article. You have in fact presented no evidence at all, let alone the sort of compelling case that is necessary for the inclusion of a picture of an identifiable real naked child in an article on a bicycle race. Uncle G 18:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
    • While I agree that, since we have five pictures for this article already, a sixth one isn't necessary in any way, I have a problem with the slightly leading way in which you present the problem. "a picture of an identifiable real naked child in an article on a bicycle race."? If you either remove the "naked" from the "child", or add it to the "bicycle race" as well, it gives a totally different perspective; a naked child to illustrate a bicycle race is ridiculous (if not outrageous): a naked child illustrating a naked bicycle race is quite natural. Fram 18:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
    • (edit conflict) The image was uploaded FOR this article, this is the only article its inclusion is even appropriate in. You are taking advantage of the fact that the original defenders of this image don't appear to be active on Wikipedia right now. The overwhelming previous keeps were based on its inclusion in this article. That's where you're confused. And another thing, naked pictures of kids with their parents are taken by parents all the time. The courts have continually ruled there is nothing wrong with these pictures. To fabricate some kind of argument based on morality goes against law and custom meaning you are engaging in original research. -N 18:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
      • I think the image inclusion in the article should be decided by someone who actually cares. None of us actually cares about this bike race, and are using it as a battleground. I'm not opposed to leaving it out of the article until people who care about the bike race chime in. -N 20:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)