Talk:N. Senada
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This article was nominated for deletion on 7 August 2006. The result of the discussion was merge into The Residents. |
Paraphrase of http://www.geocities.com/myquesttt/pollexchristi.htm.
Charles Matthews 09:56, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
If we have articles on fictional things like Borat and Hogwart's School of Witchcraft and Wizardry and so on, why shouldn't we have an article for a potentially fictional character? We don't even know if N. Senada didn't exist. There are many quotes, grunts, and saxophone squeals on early Residents recordings that are credited to him (and only him).
I think this article should remain on its own. There is plenty of N. Senada lore out there, and it could eventually make for a much fuller article; plus, I wholeheartedly think that anyone who was listening to the Residents in the 70s would agree with me in saying that this is probably how the Residents would want it.
Funkeboy 02:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
In response to the discussion that has already been had on the subject, I have the following to say: It seemed to me that the main point FOR deletion was that there's no proof anywhere that N. Senada actually existed. I say that this is irrelevant, given that the same could be said of Borat, Alfred E. Neuman, Harry Potter, and The Residents themselves, but we still have articles on all of them.
I mean, just look at the Harry Potter (character) article. Gimme a break. If that thing's allowed to flourish, than this thing should, as well.
Funkeboy 02:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lack of citations, weaser words, etc. AGAIN!
Like the Residents main article, this piece doesn't cite its sources. I agree with those of you who say that fictional (or possibly fictional) characters can and should have articles written about them (e.g. comic book, movie, and TV characters get articles... some people claim Jesus Christ was a composite of several messiahs, etc). But the Residents articles treat Wikipedia as a joke by simply reciting lore as history.
I understand (and appreciate) the Residential ethos of subverting the paradigm of the stuff and things and whatever... I realize that the whole point of the group's mythology is to mock and defy convention... But I don't think that WIKIPEDIA's point is to do that!
Seems to me that first and foremost, editing of this section should be restricted. Then some poor sucker needs to go through and eliminate or tag everything that's not cited. I volunteer, but I will eliminate EVERYTHING that's not cited, which to me looks like everything except for the discography...DougRWms 07:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Your enthusiasm is inspiring and refreshing, but you should not be so harsh. There are plenty of texts and recordings out there that can be used to cite much of this article, but hardly any of them are readily available, even by the hardcore fanatics like myself (most people I know with stashes of text about the Residents have them hidden away). Most of the recordings are out of print. I volunteer my services as researcher, as I used to have access to numerous great articles about the Residents/N. Senada from the 70s and currently still have access to most of the out of print recordings that provide much of the lore/history/whatever on N. Senada, including UWEB's Daydream B-Liver and Ralph's Radio Specials.
- Get in touch with me if you'd really like to re-write this article with me. I feel very strongly about this article (and possibly one about Senada's theories) standing on its own, and I am very well-versed in Residential lore. In the meantime, don't hack up this article, as most of it is accurate, even without its citations. If I had the time, energy, and resources, it would probably be possible to leave the article as it is and just add all the necessary citations, but this is unrealistic at this juncture. Funkeboy 13:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Beefheart
"Another rumor speculates that N. Senada may have been Captain Beefheart because Trout Mask Replica and Safe as Milk were recorded on Ensenada Drive"
I believe rehearsal and development of Trout Mask Replica took place at the Ensenada Drive house but I think most of the recording was done in a regular studio. As to Safe As Milk being recorded there, I've never seen this suggested anywhere else. BTLizard 11:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Death of N. Senada
Come on, fellas! - "Death in Barstow" isn't about N.Senada. It was on Babyfingers, first released in 1979 (recorded between 1976 and 1977). You give N. Senada's death date as 1993 don't you? Well I never heard about that. I presumed he was made up - his name is a pun. I'd like to agree with the above enthusiasts. Be its author real or not, the Theory of Obscurity is worth full documentation. Tally ho boys. Elias Nebula (talk) 17:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Elias Nebula.
