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Contents 1 Welcome to Wikipedia! 2 Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-10-03 Tom Cryer 3 Civil versus criminal 4 RFA on Tom Cryer article 5 Debt money

[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia!

Regarding your question:

Putting aside the point of what is legitimate for a moment, my question is simply this: What factor(s) would make a tax illegitimate?

I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean, since you have to define what is "legitimate" or "illegitimate" before you can figure out whether a particular thing goes in one category or the other.

If, by illegitimate, you mean "illegal" (e.g., Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, p. 570 (G. & C. Merriam Co., 8th ed. 1976) and if you restrict the discussion to United States law, you can make the discussion more meaningful at least in my opinion (since I haven't studied much of the laws of countries other than the United States).

Also, you would have to specify which tax you want to talk about. The rules would vary widely depending on whether you're talking about a Federal (national) tax (and what kind of Federal tax: income tax, estate tax, gift tax, GST tax, telephone excise tax, gasoline tax, etc., etc.) or a state tax (Texas corporate franchise tax? Louisiana individual income tax?). The rules are very different. For example, an individual income tax is perfectly permissible in Louisiana but not in Texas.

In short, there really is no single set of overriding rules or principles that would help you determine whether a tax is "illegitimate." The rules would vary widely for each kind of tax, based on the kinds of differences I've described above and the constitution of the state you want to talk about (or, in the case of Federal taxes, the United States Constitution). Yours, Famspear 01:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-10-03 Tom Cryer

I have decided to take the mediation case. I would like you to take part in the discussion--Phoenix 15 19:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civil versus criminal

Dear fellow editor: On Tom Cryer, an acquittal in a criminal tax case does not relieve the defendant of liability to pay the tax, penalties and interest. Liability to pay tax, etc., is a civil concept, not a criminal one. It's the same concept as in the O.J. Simpson case, where being found not guilty of murder does not relieve the defendant of civil liability for the same event.

However, you are correct that the verbiage was unsourced. I added a comment to the talk page for the article. Famspear 14:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFA on Tom Cryer article

An RFA for the Tom Cryer article has been filed in which you are a party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpublius (talk • contribs) 16:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Debt money

Please see the talk page on the Debt money article. The article is a term used by conspiracy theorists, in order to push a POV about fractional reserve banking. 69.138.16.202 (talk) 17:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)