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Project Gotham Racing 3 for the Xbox 360 has a few variations of the Nürburgring. The "test" track for the game seems to be the F1 circuit, and throughout the game there are at least 3 variations, including a gigantic one that is rated at about 9 minutes at the easiest skill level, so this is probably the full-size version. Pvera 06:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


As someone recently had deleted a remark about motorcycle racing - please remember that the Nürburgring is more than just "related to Formula One"! --Matthead 00:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I think we should have a separate article for the Nordschleife (as opposed to the F1 circuit). The two are quite different in terms of the style of the circuit and types of races held there--210.185.68.90 05:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think a separate article is required, but it would be nice if there was more information on the GP Strecke, such as the recent change from 4.5 to 5.1 km. And perhaps a little more on the Südschleife. Balfa 16:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nordschleife Pronunciation

Anyone knows how to pronounciate "Nordshleife" correctly - "Nord-shlai-fe" or "Nord-shlee-fe"? Honeyman 18:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

"Near-boorg-ring Nord-shly-fay" --Matthead 00:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know the CORRECT, and I stress CORRECT, pronunciation of the word Nordschleife? I've come across many different pronunciations, but the most common are: NORD-SCHLEEF/NORT-SCHLEEF and NORD-SCHLEEF-FE/NORT-SCHLEEF-FE Are any of these correct?, or has the correct pronunciation continued to elude me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WaitingForTheSun (talk • contribs)

I don't know what you consider correct, but for the German pronunciation transcribed with English see my proposal above. You're invented to request IPA or a sound file. -- Matthead discuß!     O       10:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
May I offer my two cents as a native speaker of German?
1. Nürburgring: Matthead´s transcription above is quite correct. Keep in mind, though:
a) "ü" is not pronounced like "ea" in "near"; this vowel (--> Umlaut) doesn´t exist in English at all; it´s some kind of a mixture of "u" and "i" (that is, speak an "i" [like the vowel in "near"], but with pursed lips as when speaking an "u").
b) d/g/b at the end of a German syllable are spoken hardened, i.e. as t/k/p.
c) Generally, the German "r" is different from the English "r"; it is produced by pressing the rear of the tongue (not the middle part of it) against the palate.
d) the "ng" in "ring" is a single phoneme, just like in the English word "ring".
e) The stress is on the "ü".
f) All vowels in this word are short.
2. Nordschleife:
Notes as above; NORT-SHL[EYE]-F[ǝ] comes near to the real thing. Note:
"r" pronounced like described above; "d" in "Nord" is pronounced like "t"; "sch" equals the English "sh" [like in "shame"]; "ei" in German is always spoken as "ai" [sounds like English "eye"]; an unstressed "e" at the end of a word is not a regular German "e" (which is spoken as a long vowel), but a short murmured vowel, somewhat like an unstressed "e" in English words like "matter" or such (if I remember correctly, linguists call this a "schwa", written phonetically as "ǝ"). All vowels here are short, too. The stress is again on the first syllable.
GENERAL NOTE: The description I´ve tried to give is valid for regular High German (which is based historically on southern German dialects). Of course, there are variations of pronounciation in modern dialects. Some speakers will pronounce the "ü" in "Nürburgring" not short, but long; also, in some dialects (notably around Cologne and in the Eifel mountains themselves, where the Nürburgring is situated, the "g" of "Nürburgring" will be spoken not as a "k", but as a German "ch" (like in "mich") or even as a "sch" (English "sh"). Also, some dialects do not pronounce an "r" at the end of a syllable at all, but replace it with a sound similar to the murmured "e" mentioned above ("Nürburg" then becomes "Nüǝbuǝk").
Hope this helps...it´s really complicated to describe these matters in written form.
--328cia 19:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Touristenfahrten

What is the English translation of the word "Touristenfahrten"? Recury 20:11, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

"tourists' drives". --Matthead 23:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Note that the nickname "The Green Hell" wasn't given to it by Jackie Stewart, its a translation of the German nickname "Die gruene Hoelle" that was long associated to it.

"alternative spelling without umlaut: Nuerburgring, but never Nurburgring" why is it never spelled Nurburgring? Where did Nuerburgring come from? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.227.179.195 (talk • contribs) 01:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

It comes from German printing conventions. --Majin Izlude 15:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I am looking for the Nürburgring, does anybody know where in Germany it is? Or any major cities around it?

I corrected the coordinates of the circuit. The coordinates given are for the start/finish line, taken from Google Earth.--Ciroa 16:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)--

This article says the nordschleife is only open for tourists from april to november but on the official site you can still buy tickets and it looks like it's going to be open all winter. GerardK 21:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not 100% so won't change the article text, but I believe Phil Hill's 1961 record lap would have been on the 14.12 mile version that combined the Nordschleife and the Betonschleife, which no longer exists. Dirk Schoysman's famour 7:59 Skyline lap (and all subsequent laps) have been on the 12 mile circuit. Still impressive but not directly comparable. Eftpotrm 20:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Castle

What is the name of the Nurburgring castle and where is the wiki page associated with it? --68.207.206.69 05:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The castle is called Nürburg, hence the name Nürburgring (Nürburg Circuit), and has an article only in de:Wiki. The castle itself is relatively unimportant, being located in an area with about as many castles as supermarkets. -84.169.79.24 03:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Schumacher S" section

Sorry if I'm being too brief, but does this really need a section of it's own? --Phill talk Edits 21:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. And I'm going to remove it.--BSI 16:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Writing all over the track?

Does anyone know what the paint/chalk writing all over the track is for? Where does it all come from, and what is the point?

Could we possibly have a section on this in the article? --Recoil42 21:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd also like to see a section on this.

The writings are applied mainly by the spectators camping around the track in the days before the 24 hour race. The messages are about favorite marques, teams, drivers, or simply about the groups of fans hoping to see their slogan on TV. Some graffiti are just for fun, like painting a pedestrian crossing. I have not yet seen a website trying to cover the writings, so I doubt Wikipedia can dedicate a section to it. -- Matthead  DisOuß   04:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Common misspelling

Because the exclusion of the Umlaut mark is nine times out of ten not intentional, I have changed the beginning text of this article from "commonly misspelled" to "alternately spelled". This is because of the extreme difficulty involved in inserting the symbol, especially in or on websites or webpages, or any place that the code for the symbol must be used. This is usually not intentional, this is done out of lack of knowledge. Please see the article on misspelling. (By the way, the list of "famous accidental misspellings" is pretty interesting). Zchris87v 20:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not of "extreme difficulty", as in HTML, the Umlaut ü can be generated with ü ü. En-Wiki offers a table with many characters in the edit windows. If all fails, ue is the proper way to write it. -- Matthead  DisOuß   04:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Sketch Grand Prix course"

The caption for the map in the "Nordschleife Map" section makes reference to the "Sketch Grand Prix course". The word "Sketch" isn't used anywhere else in the article. Should it say "Strecke" instead of "Sketch"? DH85868993 15:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

it could be refering to either the complete Südschleife, or to the sprint course Lynx Raven Raide 04:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The GP track is, partially, in that yellow area. I've removed the confusing word "Sketch".-- Matthead  DisOuß   03:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Racing is risky

I think the information about fatalities and serious injuries is misleading:

"There are a few deaths and major accidents each year, most of which are during public sessions, although generally accidents on racetracks are rare and not to be expected."

A few deaths? People apparently die, but luckily 'just a few'. And he sentence ends with implying that we shouldn't worry because generally people don't actually die on racetracks...

Should this section be rewritten with more detailed and realistic information (with a bit more of a 'warning' in it)? Or is that not being objective?

There are some deaths, in racing maybe five or so in the last decade, with various reasons: two of them apparently heart failures, and some freak accidents. In public driving, riders are always at risk, but drivers get killed too, e.g. in a Ferrari that caught fire. Over all, I guess more people get killed travelling to or from football games, but noone attributes this to a stadium. -- Matthead  DisOuß   03:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ticket prices

Does this article really need to list the ticket prices (which are subject to change?) Perhaps a link to the relevant section of the track's own website would be preferable? DH85868993 00:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

People do frequently ask about the prices for driving one or more laps, in forums etc., so it makes sense to state them. -- Matthead  DisOuß   03:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Niki Lauda is NOT the only person who had completed the Ring in under 7 minutes

"Niki Lauda, the reigning world champion and only person ever to lap the full 22835 m Nordschleife in under 7 minutes (6:58.6, 1975)"

  • Derek Bell has completed a VIDEO RECORDED lap in 6'41 on a Porsche 956 (from the video 'In Car 956');
  • the all time record has been set by Stefan Bellof, in 6'15;
  • the Radical SR8 has completed recently (late 2005) the lap in 6'55. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.235.191.170 (talk) 10:03, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
And dozens of others - because the Ring was shortened by ca. 2000 meters for 1983.-- Matthead discuß!     O       14:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armco barriers?

Could someone familiar with them add a section on what Armco barriers are and why they are specifically used? Are Armco barriers any different from normal guardrails? --Phasmatisnox 07:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

They are the standards rails used on public roads, except that three (at least two) are mounted atop of each other.-- Matthead  DisOuß   03:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More references and this could well be GA-status

This is a strong article in itself, but with references it could get to GA status. I classed it as a hesitant Start class for the F1 Wikiproject (I almost want to put it at B-status) Guroadrunner (talk) 08:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccurate conversion

In the first paragraph, 28.265km is equated to 14.3 miles. This is obviously wrong. I haven't changed it because I presume the 14.3 miles came from somewhere and is in fact the length of one version of the track, but it can't be the length of the Gesamtstrecke. Also the differing precision in the two measurements is undesirable. 81.154.101.147 (talk) 10:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Many of the external links in this article are to commercial sites

Roughly half of the links are companies offering tours or racing packages (you race your car with hotel, ferry ride, and more included). Will (Talk - contribs) 05:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. I visited the sites that appeared to be fine, only to find they were not. The only valid link appears to be the one that I left.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 20:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Printable version?

Does anyone else experience difficulties when trying to print the printable version of this article? It has frozen Firefox every time I've told it to print on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EunuchOmerta (talk • contribs) 15:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)