User:Mzajac/sandbox

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[edit] Succession of regents

I think I improved Template:Byzantine Emperor, but Adam Bishop pointed out that this look won't work for some of the more complex custom succession infoboxes. Here's my attempt to fix that. Work is still in progress.

Here's an original one, from Charles I of Sicily.

Preceded by: Manfred	King of Sicily	Succeeded by: Peter I
—	King of Naples	Charles II
William II	Prince of Achaea
—	Count of Anjou

[edit] First attempt

TOCify & harmonize with latest version

Preceded by Manfred	King of Sicily	Succeeded by Peter I
—	King of Naples	Charles II
William II	Prince of Achaea
—	Count of Anjou

[edit] Fix it up

Clean-up: headers go into TH, add rules for rows. Removed id="toc" (this would conflict with an actual TOC on the page). Removed table padding which shows up in Safari, not Moz.

This works in Mozilla and MSIE/Win. Rules="rows" has no effect in MSIE/Mac. Safari shows no internal rules at all. Giving rows border-bottom has no effect in Safari, but puts rules right across the rowspanned cell in MSIE/Mac. Crud.

Preceded by		Succeeded by
Manfred	King of Sicily	Peter I
—	King of Naples	Charles II
William II	Prince of Achaea
—	Count of Anjou

[edit] Table with cellspacing

Back to 1995. This works, but there's too much code. Wish I could apply a style-sheet to this. colour has to be applied to each cell separately.

In MSIE/Mac, the vertical rules are hidden by the header row's background colour.

Preceded by		Succeeded by
Manfred	King of Sicily	Peter I
—	King of Naples	Charles II
William II	Prince of Achaea
—	Count of Anjou

[edit] One more time

Built from scratch in BBEdit. Trying to keep it simple.

This one is a compromise design. It doesn't look as good as the preceding in most browsers, but it doesn't really break either.

Bgcolor on the table doesn't work at all. Empty TH must have an   in it, or it doesn't look right in MSIE/Mac. Safari draws vertical rules. Except Mozilla, all the browsers render the borders with some ridge.

Added the Emperor's name for an indication of "you are here". Removed some unnecessary bold emphasis.

Preceded by	Charles I of Sicily	Succeeded by
Manfred	King of Sicily	Peter I
—	King of Naples	Charles II
William II	Prince of Achaea
—	Count of Anjou

[edit] Simple navigation box

Have to change the simple box to match the new proposal.

Hm. The template shows the names of preceding and succeeding emperors, but not the current one. Shouldn't basic navigation included "you are here"?

Preceded by	Alexius II Comnenus	Succeeded by
Manuel I Comnenus	Byzantine Emperor	Andronicus I Comnenus

[edit] TOC colours class

I just read at MediaWiki that in June User:Gwicke added a class to the style sheet that implements the same formatting as the TOC. Just add class="toccolours" to your table. Let's see how it work:

Preceded by	Alexius II Comnenus	Succeeded by
Manuel I Comnenus	Byzantine Emperor	Andronicus I Comnenus

That's rather attractive. I'd still like to see some more specific styles for the tables, like styling for th or row.header.

[edit] Names together

or does it make more sense to put the names on one line? Makes more sense in the single box, but not for the complex one.

Preceded by	Byzantine Emperor	Succeeded by
Manuel I Comnenus	Alexius II Comnenus	Andronicus I Comnenus

[edit] Adam Bishop's box proposal

Ah. User:Adam Bishop has one that is nice and small.

Preceded by:	Byzantine Emperor	Succeeded by:
{{{Prev}}}	Byzantine Emperor {{{CoEmperor}}}	{{{Next}}}

[edit] Improvement?

Combined the header cells by adding cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0". Turned them into THs and made the code slightly more efficient by applying align="center" to TRs. Removed the id="toc", because this could conflict with an actual TOC on a long page (XHTML doesn't allow duplicate IDs on a page).

Preceded by	Byzantine Emperor	Succeeded by
{{{Prev}}}	Byzantine Emperor {{{CoEmperor}}}	{{{Next}}}

[edit] Navigation box standards

Wikipedia is starting to get full of these navigational templates and infobox templates. Some are templates and others are coded right into the pages. They are formatted different ways (HTML, CSS). Some are Wiki-table code, others are straight HTML. Some have purple headers, other have rules. Some appear as a column at the top-right of the page, others at the bottom. The don't necessarily conform to Wikipedia's different skins, and might look ugly or unreadable with different user style sheets applied.

We should get some style guidelines together for these, standardize the templates, and build the appearance into Wikipedia's style sheets and skins.

There's some discussion about the need for infoboxes at the Village Pump. Some people like them and some hate them. I think it's important that they be attractive and unobtrusive to improve acceptance.

[edit] Canadian tables of first ministers

Harmonize style and colour in the tables in these articles:

v • d • e Lists of Canadian first ministers

Federal	Canada • Province of Canada (historical)

Provincial	British Columbia • Alberta • Saskatchewan • Manitoba • Ontario • Quebec • New Brunswick • Prince Edward Island • Nova Scotia • Newfoundland and Labrador

Territorial	Yukon • Northwest Territories • Nunavut

also List of Canadian Leaders of the Opposition.

Think about a standard ID and style sheet for tables like this.

[edit] TOC table formatting

Never mind .toc. Use class="toccolours" instead.

from /style/monobook/main.css:

 #toc { 
        /*border:1px solid #2f6fab;*/
        border:1px solid #aaaaaa;
        background-color:#f9f9f9;
        padding:5px;
        font-size: 95%;
 }
 #toc .tocindent { margin-left: 2em; }
 #toc .tocline { margin-bottom: 0px; }
 #toc p { margin: 0 }
 #toc .toctoggle { font-size: 94%; }
 #toc .editsection { 
        margin-top: 0.7em; 
        font-size: 94%;
 }

[edit] Romanization

[edit] Links

UNSD: UN Statistics Division
UN: United Nations Conferences on the Standardization of Geographical Names, http://www.eki.ee/wgrs/
UNGEGN: UN Working Group of Experts on Geographical Names
Державна служба геодезії, картографії та кадастру: Ukrainian State Service of Geodesy, Cartography and Cadastre

[edit] Systems

ISO 9: 1995 : international standard
ALA–LC Romanization tables: American Library Association/Library of Congress
BGN/PCGN 1947: United States Board on Geographic Names & Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British Official Use. 1965 version is up-to-date for Ukrainian.
Ukrainian National Romanization 1993/1996?: Ukraine's official standard
UN 1987: United Nations' standard
KNAB: Institute of Estonian Language, Romanization
WGRS: UNGEGN's Working Group on Romanization Systems. This site includes PDF tables. They have a system for Russian, and use the National system for Ukrainian.

[edit] Wikipedia conventions

How's this look? Notice the pop-up title text on "tr." I bet people would even read it, if Wikipedia didn't make every frickin' link repeat its text in the title.

The Republic of Ingushetia (Респу́блика Ингуше́тия, tr. Respublika Ingushetiya in Russian; Гiалгiай Мохк in Ingush) is a ....

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Russian federal subjects guys seem to be settling on something like:

The Republic of Ingushetia (Russian Респу́блика Ингуше́тия, Respublika Ingushetiya; Ingush: Гiалгiай Мохк) is a ....

How about using some title attributes. Wikitext could incorporate support for these. Oh crud, spans don't work. Unfortunately MSIE/Win is broken for titles; only shows them on links.

The Republic of Ingushetia (Респу́блика Ингуше́тия, Respublika Ingushetiya; Гiалгiай Мохк) is a ....

Yuk.

[edit] Multiple names

Language	Name	Transliteration	An inhabitant
Belarusian	Палесьсе	Palyessye/ Palesse	Palyashchuk
Polish	Polesie		Poleszuk
Russian	Полесье	Poles'ye	Poleshchuk
Ukrainian	Полісся	Polissya/ Polisia	Polishchuk

An example table from Polissia. There are many other articles that might use something like this to unload the huge nomenclature line.

Language	Belarusian	Polish	Russian	Ukrainian
Name	Палесьсе	Polesie	Полесье	Полісся
Transliteration	Palyessye/ Palesse		Poles'ye	Polissya/ Polisia
An inhabitant	Palyashchuk	Poleszuk	Poleshchuk	Polishchuk

It seems to be more compact when vertically oriented. Is it easier to read?

[edit] AFV infobox

T-54/55 general characteristics
Polish museum T-55
crew	4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
length	6.20 m
width	3.60 m
height	2.32 m
weight	40.5 t
armour	Up to 250 mm of armour. Some late models have appliqué and reactive armour.
primary armament	100 mm D10 rifled gun. Some late models can fire AT-10 Stabber ATGM.
secondary armament	7.62 mm PKMT machine gun in coaxial mount, sometimes DShK 12.7 mm antiaircraft machine gun atop turret.
power plant	462-516 kW (620-690 hp) diesel, sometimes upgraded with a more powerful and reliable engine.
speed	35 km/h (off-road)
range	390 km

Here's a slight redesign, shown for the T-54/55, with the standard 300-px image size. It gets rid of all the busy lines, so that the actual content draws the eye. Goes well with the default monobook.css skin. Are the grey bands dark enough to differentiate the rows?

A problem with this is that the alternating table background formatting has to be placed in each cell. I could get around this if I had access to the site CSS. Of course, if all this code was in a template, then it's no problem.

Update: made the table body text smaller, image width: 250 px.

Update: header more prominent, added image caption.

Update: see template:AFV

[edit] AFV navbox

From Template:WWIISovietAFVs. I find the meaningless colours are distracting.

Update: I've changed the line spacing in all of these to more closely associate heading rows with content. I think they're much better now.

Update: also added a new proposal below, which differs less from the current navbox.

Soviet Armored fighting vehicles of World War II
Tanks BT tank \| Iosef Stalin \| Kliment Voroshilov \| T-26 \| T-28 \| T-34 \| T-35 \| T-70
Self-propelled guns SU-76 \| SU-85 \| SU-100 \| SU-122 \| SU-152 \| ISU-122 \| ISU-152
Soviet armored fighting vehicle production during World War II

The original, for comparison:

Soviet Armored fighting vehicles of World War II
Tanks
BT \| Iosef Stalin \| Kliment Voroshilov \| T-26 \| T-28 \| T-34 \| T-35 \| T-44 \| T-60 \| T-70
Self-propelled guns
SU-76 \| SU-85 \| SU-100 \| SU-122 \| SU-152 \| ISU-122 \| ISU-152
Soviet armored fighting vehicle production during World War II

Bigger example: the German WWII AFV navbox:

German armored fighting vehicles of World War II
Tanks Panzer I \| Panzer II \| Panzer III \| Panzer IV \| Panther \| Tiger I, II \| Panzer 35(t) \| Panzer 38(t)
Self-propelled artillery Wespe \| Hummel \| Grille \| Panzerwerfer
Assault guns StuG III \| StuG IV \| StuH 42 \| Brummbär \| Sturmtiger
Tank destroyers Panzerjäger I \| Marder I , II , III \| Hetzer \| Jagdpanzer IV \| Jagdpanther \| Nashorn \| Jagdtiger \| Elefant
Armored half-tracks SdKfz 4 \| 250 \| 251 \| 252 \| 253	Armored cars Light armored cars \| Heavy armored cars
'Self propelled anti-aircraft' Flakpanzer IV: Möbelwagen, Wirbelwind, Ostwind, Kugelblitz \| Gepard
Experimental vehicles (prototypes) Panzer VIII 'Maus' \| P-1000 'Ratte' \| E-100 \| Panther II \| Waffentrager \| Neubaufahrzeug
Experimental vehicles (projects) P-1500 'Monster' \| Panzer VII 'Löwe' \| E-10 \| E-25 \| E-50 \| E-75 \| Panzer IX
German armored fighting vehicle production during World War II

It's still very busy; needs more definition. De-linking all the headings so they're solid black text would help. Another alternative is to add some rules. And all those pipe separators get mixed up with the Is, IIs, and IIIs; let's try some spaced middle dots:

I've also de-linked the headings in this one. Having black bold text does a lot to show the sections.

German armored fighting vehicles of World War II
Tanks Panzer I · Panzer II · Panzer III · Panzer IV · Panther · Tiger I, II · Panzer 35(t) · Panzer 38(t)
Self-propelled artillery Wespe · Hummel · Grille · Panzerwerfer
Assault guns StuG III · StuG IV · StuH 42 · Brummbär · Sturmtiger
Tank destroyers Panzerjäger I · Marder I , II , III · Hetzer · Jagdpanzer IV · Jagdpanther · Nashorn · Jagdtiger · Elefant
Armored half-tracks SdKfz 4 · 250 · 251 · 252 · 253	Armored cars Light armored cars · Heavy armored cars
Self propelled anti-aircraft Flakpanzer IV: Möbelwagen, Wirbelwind, Ostwind, Kugelblitz · Gepard
Experimental vehicles (prototype stage) Panzer VIII 'Maus' · P-1000 'Ratte' · E-100 · Panther II · Waffentrager · Neubaufahrzeug
Experimental vehicles (design stage only) P-1500 'Monster' · Panzer VII 'Löwe' · E-10 · E-25 · E-50 · E-75 · Panzer IX
German armored fighting vehicle production during World War II

One more try:

German armored fighting vehicles of World War II
Tanks Panzer I · Panzer II · Panzer III · Panzer IV · Panther · Tiger I, II · Panzer 35(t) · Panzer 38(t)
Self-propelled artillery Wespe · Hummel · Grille · Panzerwerfer
Assault guns StuG III · StuG IV · StuH 42 · Brummbär · Sturmtiger
Tank destroyers Panzerjäger I · Marder I , II , III · Hetzer · Jagdpanzer IV · Jagdpanther · Nashorn · Jagdtiger · Elefant
Armored half-tracks SdKfz 4 · 250 · 251 · 252 · 253	Armored cars Light armored cars · Heavy armored cars
Self propelled anti-aircraft Flakpanzer IV: Möbelwagen, Wirbelwind, Ostwind, Kugelblitz · Gepard
Experimental vehicles (prototype stage) Panzer VIII 'Maus' · P-1000 'Ratte' · E-100 · Panther II · Waffentrager · Neubaufahrzeug
Experimental vehicles (design stage only) P-1500 'Monster' · Panzer VII 'Löwe' · E-10 · E-25 · E-50 · E-75 · Panzer IX
German armored fighting vehicle production during World War II

This one is more similar to the current navbox, but tones down the colour, incorporating something like the German steel-blue.

German armored fighting vehicles of World War II
Tanks
Panzer I \| Panzer II \| Panzer III \| Panzer IV \| Panther \| Tiger I, II \| Panzer 35(t) \| Panzer 38(t)
Self-propelled artillery
Wespe \| Hummel \| Grille \| Panzerwerfer
Assault guns
StuG III \| StuG IV \| StuH 42 \| Brummbär \| Sturmtiger
Tank destroyers
Panzerjäger I \| Marder I , II , III \| Hetzer \| Jagdpanzer IV \| Jagdpanther \| Nashorn \| Jagdtiger \| Elefant
Armored half-tracks	Armored cars
SdKfz 4 \| 250 \| 251 \| 252 \| 253	Light armored cars \| Heavy armored cars
Self propelled anti-aircraft
Flakpanzer IV: Möbelwagen, Wirbelwind, Ostwind, Kugelblitz \| Gepard
Prototypes
Maus \| P-1000 Ratte \| E- series \| Panther II \| Waffentrager \| Neubaufahrzeug
Proposed designs
P-1500 'Monster' \| Panzer VII 'Löwe' \| Panzer IX
German AFVs \| Production

[edit] Ukrainian oblast navbox

Kharkiv Oblast Харківська область


Population - Total (2004) - Density	2,857,751 91/km²
Area	31,400 km
Raions	27
Cities	17
City districts	9
Urban localities	61
Villages	1,683

German armored fighting vehicles of World War II
Tanks Panzer I \| Panzer II \| Panzer III \| Panzer IV \| Panther \| Tiger I, II \| Panzer 35(t) \| Panzer 38(t)
Self-propelled artillery Wespe \| Hummel \| Grille \| Panzerwerfer
Assault guns StuG III \| StuG IV \| StuH 42 \| Brummbär \| Sturmtiger
Tank destroyers Panzerjäger I \| Marder I , II , III \| Hetzer \| Jagdpanzer IV \| Jagdpanther \| Nashorn \| Jagdtiger \| Elefant
Armored half-tracks SdKfz 4 \| 250 \| 251 \| 252 \| 253	Armored cars Light armored cars \| Heavy armored cars
'Self propelled anti-aircraft' Flakpanzer IV: Möbelwagen, Wirbelwind, Ostwind, Kugelblitz \| Gepard
Experimental vehicles (prototypes) Panzer VIII 'Maus' \| P-1000 'Ratte' \| E-100 \| Panther II \| Waffentrager \| Neubaufahrzeug
Experimental vehicles (projects) P-1500 'Monster' \| Panzer VII 'Löwe' \| E-10 \| E-25 \| E-50 \| E-75 \| Panzer IX
German armored fighting vehicle production during World War II