Talk:Mystery airship

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Should this not be moved to UFO? I mean, what is the difference? -Vina 18:28, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It is a specific subtype of unidentified object that has several distinguishing properties, including

- the "mystery airship" was only reported during a specific time period (late 1890s), 
  predating the modern "flying saucer" era
- the reported public opinions on the mystery airship(s) differ substantially from those 
  on the general UFO topic page, e.g. it was reportedly more widely felt that the mystery 
  airship was the product of a human inventor rather than an extraterrestrial source 
  (although see Aurora (Texas) for an exception)

--MarkWahl 19:49, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] questionable See Alsos

I am not sure how these particular items deserve to be listed here as See alsos. Kingturtle 08:12, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] See Also

[edit] Remove "airship" photo?

I dispute that the photo here is of an airship, mysterious or not. It's a cigar sitting on rime ice. See Image_talk:1871UFO.gif. Airminded 15:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fake!!

Anyone can do this, get a marker and draw a "mystery aircraft" on a picture of clouds. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BrianIsCool2007 (talk • contribs) 18:32, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Swastika?

It's weird about the 1870 airship photo because nothing's listed that early on the page, and when i examined the picture closer it looked like what appeared to be a swastika on the object. I also think the picture looks like it's taken from the air, so with all that, is it possible this just a picture of a WWII V2 Rocket being passed off as a much older photo? Terminator14 (talk) 06:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Charles Dellschau and the Sonora Aero Club are said to date back to 1850, even if the article (rightly) focuses on the main airship waves.
However, the provenance of this picture is iffy and while it is of the date stated there were no initial claims it was of something strange. This article suggests it is actually a train in the snow. (Emperor (talk) 11:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC))
Thank you for that, i just have a strange feeling either way that the picture's fraud, but almost anything's possible. I personally believe something happend, but just what i don't know. It makes more sense to me than most of these modern flying saucer stories. The US Government hides stuff they test (That can be mistaken as a UFO by civilians) all the time, just look at the B-2 Bomber. Terminator14 (talk) 11:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Be that as it may the point is that it is probably too old to actually show a swastika, but it is highly debatable whether it is a picture of a phantom airship. It certainly wasn't labelled so at the time and the interpretation that it is a phantom airship came much later and it may not even be the picture of a flying object against clouds.
I'd suggest that making it the main illustration for this, as there are others with better claims - like this from the 1913 lap [1]. I'd suggest going with one of the contemporary illustrations or perhaps one of the Sonora Aero club pictures. I'll have a look around for something. but it may be the 1913 one is the way to go. (Emperor (talk) 15:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC))
So are you saying the picture's too old to see a swastika, or that a swastika on the object isn't possible? If it's the latter, swastika's were around long before Hitler and were originally viewed as a symbol of good luck and such, but you seem to understand alot, so i guess you're saying it's too old to tell. Terminator14 (talk) 01:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Well it does a genuinely vintage photograph and some arguments have been put forward to suggest that a swastika on the side would suggest it is a later photograph (of course the swastika is an older symbol but it isn't part of any claims about phantom airship flaps and swastika claims are usually made to suggest a Nazi link). However, I also see no swastika. (Emperor (talk) 13:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC))