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Approval of MySpace sub-page

I found this orphaned sub-page: MySpace/Approval of MySpace. It's unreferenced and quite POV so I'm not sure if it'll be useful, but it was certainly relatively lost. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Turns out it was speedy deleted out of process. You can find it here. -- zzuuzz (talk) 10:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Lousy command of English whatever the point of view. It's either the majority or it's unanimous. Can't be both. And it's patent nonsense besides. Half the people I know on there are baby-boomers (me included).
Deletion was too good for it. It should have been ROT13'd, trellis-coded, and then deleted. Err-hem. I'm sane. No, really. I am. Cain Mosni 14:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I made that subpage some time ago, in case anyone wanted to try and salvage it whatsoever (I pulled the content from the main article), which was never done (and I didn't, because I don't care enough about MySpace to waste my time on that). Apparently no one else cared either. -^demon[yell at me][ubx_war_sux] /14:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

terms of service

I don't understand the terms of service issue. The link provided talked about what seemed like different text. Did myspace change their agreement at some point? --Gbleem 22:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The clause is still in there (section "6. Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com"). Invitatious (talk) 23:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Daily Reach

I added the request for an additional citation because I'm not sure that Alexa rankings justify the statement. Several sites seem to have a similar reach on Alexa's rough graph but as Alexa don't rank by reach but by page impressions I'm not sure that "many more than 5" is true. Any better reference?--Citizensmith 18:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

#1 visited site in america

I wanted to add something about this, but I dont have and dont want an account. Here's my source.69.218.200.7 06:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2006-07-11T154250Z_01_N11382172_RTRUKOC_0_US-MEDIA-MYSPACE.xml

MySpace & Sex Crimes

I think it's really important to expand the legal section of this article. If done correctly, this can be very informative, though not necessarily negative or biased -- IMO there's no reason to play up lawsuits and crimes, as they speak for themselves.

There's a whole bunch of other crimes that have been associated with MySpace, and I think the current sub-heading is really misleading, as it makes it seem as if there have only been a few small issues with the site, which is completely untrue, there have been almost weekly issues this whole year.

Some articles I've found that I think would be good for either adding to the Legal sub-heading, or a whole new article on Myspace crime:

Police are investigating whether as many as seven teenage girls have been sexually assaulted by men they met through the ultra-popular Web site MySpace.com. "It is a predator's dream come true, this Web site," said Middletown [CT] Police Sgt. Bill McKenna. "Because not only can you see them, but you can see their friends. You can find out where they go to middle school and high school."

"It's possible for MySpace visitors to search users by schools, ages or geographical area. Magid tested out the site, by searching for young women in his area. He writes: "One of the girls, who is 16, has a sexually suggestive word as part of her user name. Thanks to MySpace, I have a pretty complete picture of her life. I know the day she was born, the hospital she was born in, her full name, where she goes to school, what she likes to eat, what time she goes to bed at night and her favorite fast-food restaurant."

A party in Boulder, Colorado turned into an ugly scene of rape and robbery, and police turned to the MySpace networking site to identify those responsible.

An unidentified 18-year-old woman found an old high school friend on MySpace and set up a drinking party at her mother's house in Boulder.

The underage drinking party that took place on February 23rd became out-of-control, the Daily Times-Call reported. "At some point, the victim was no longer aware of what was happening, and she was sexually assaulted."


June 12, 2006. NAPERVILLE, Ill. (Crime Library) — Jay D. Coffield of Morris, IL, age 44, was arrested in a coffee shop in Naperville on Friday, June 9, 2006. Morris expected to meet a 14-year-old girl he'd gotten to know via MySpace.com, the hugely popular personal networking and blogging domain typically geared towards young users. Instead, Jay Coffield was cuffed and taken to a jail in Joliet, IL.

Coffield had befriended a real 14-year-old, but on May 22, according to the Chicago Sun-Times, an older relative of the girl's reported the possibly improper relationship to Naperville police. Investigators then assumed the girl's online ID and proceeded to develop a relationship with Jay Coffield.


this I thought was interesting:

22. Katie on January 24, 2006 12:35 PM writes...

I am a girl who was on myspace underage..just to bug my cousin...then I found out that alot of my friends,and friend's siblings have myspace, and I agree that the age should be 18 and older because, the way these kids talk and the pictures and the lauguage that they use is very very very unacceptable..these girls, are putting these pictures on myspace and even a diary site named sitdiary,they are putting there life in MAJOR danger!Because people can very well copy those pictures into the pictures on there computer and put them on different sites.

If any of these kids parents knew what they were doing..these kids would be Grounded.....

Myspace stinks!!!

McMINNVILLE, Tenn. - A former elementary school teacher who spent six months in jail for having sex with a 13-year-old student was arrested again, this time for violating probation by apparently communicating with the victim. [Through MySpace]

Troye Newcomb knows many prostitutes. She hands out condoms in Chinatown.

One of her 19-year-old clients told her what some social workers already know: Pimps are recruiting girls on myspace.com.

Troye Newcomb, of Life Foundation, says, "I was told...yeah for sure...she's seen pimps on myspace and she has friends that have been talking to pimps on myspace."

Detective Chris Duque says, "Where kids hang...that's where preditor's hang.

  • And so, so many more!

UnderPressure 15:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


Seriously guys, it IS NOT myspace's fault that kid's are dumb and do things that could endanger themselves. --Scott 02:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
It might not be their fault, but they're absolutely facilitating it, and not doing much about it. There's a very good reason why you don't hear about Facebook users picking up fourteen year olds. UnderPressure 15:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Grah! Kids and their DAMN technology!
I agree with Scott. Many people get viruses and a bunch of crap on their computer, mostly because they just don't know how to surf the Internet. Then they place the blame on Bill Gates, whom had almost nothing to do with them getting viruses in the first place. Seriously, surfing the Internet safely is not that hard, it's mostly just common sense. The same goes for MySpace. It's too bad that many people (especially kids) just doesn't follow through with this. --AverageAmerican 02:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Facebook is just not a very versatile site, and is not all that popular with youth because of it. Are you saying that there absolutely should be no sites with the versatility to meet others and express yourself? Besides, this is pointless because wiki is about facts not opinions. Including news stories about myspace is a necessity.

Question

shouldnt there be a link to Category:MySpace_users on this page? Or am i missing it? --Joer80 20:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

That category if for Wikipedia editors, and is part of the Wikipedia project, so it would be a self-reference (which should be avoided). -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

TotallyDisputed?

Could whoever put the {{TotallyDisputed}} tag on this article, or anyone else who disuptes this article's neutrality and accuracy, address whatever concerns they might have? In addition, do we really need weasel words tags on every other section? While I think this page could use some work, I have removed TotallyDisputed pending discussion of neutrality and accuracy issues. szyslak (t, c, e) 21:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Myspace Celebrities

Myspace Celebrities: *http://www.myspacecelebrities.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.107.11.48 (talk • contribs) 07:35, 18 Jul 2006 (UTC)


Criticism

i dont see any reason why the section should be so massive.Rainingblood667

Because there is alot of it.--Scott3 11:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Something somewhere about all the thousands of fakes? Like the 16,500 Chuck Norris profiles?

MySpace in Educational Settings

The paragraphs on Ivy Tech Community College in the MySpace in Education Settings section are in error and violate the privacy of the person quoted. The quote is taken out of context from an internal e-mail that was soliciting comments from college staff on a proposal to block MySpace from computers on the college network. The quote was not intended for publication. Mr. Bittles did not advocate "shutting down" MySpace, nor were "moral grounds" a reason for doing so. The college routinely blocks pornography sites from being viewed on college network computers because it is a violation of college's sexual harrassment policy to view or display pornography on college computers where they may be viewed by others. There was one incident of a student viewing pornographic images on MySpace in a manner that other students and college staff could see the images, but the proposal is actually based on three reasons: violation of college policy due to pornographic images on MySpace, a significant portion of bandwidth being used for traffic to and from MySpace, and lack of educational purpose for visiting the site. At this time, the issue is only open for discussion among college staff, and there are no plans or policies in place to block MySpace from college computers.

Tom McCool Executive Director, Marketing and Communications, Ivy Tech Community College-Lafayette, tmccool@ivytech.edu

Thank you for your clarification. I'm not sure if violating the privacy of the quoted person is much of a concern to Wikipedia, however since this quotation is lacking verifiable sources, as indeed is the quote I am replying to above, I shall remove that part completely from the article until such time as verifiable and reliable sources have been provided - even then I doubt it would warrant inclusion in the article as I doubt this policy is dissimilar to that of thousands of other establishments. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

List of social networking websites on AfD

List of social networking websites is currently an AfD candidate. You are invited to partake in this discussion. Czj 19:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Disputed? Hell; it's just *sloppy*.

I've been wikipediizing for about 2 years now, and I don't think I've ever come across a page that was this high a combination of "high profile topic" and "miserable content quality". Does no one give a crap? EG: we're just quoting their ridiculous 95 megauser count without any language that suggests either that a) it's merely what they claim or b) that it probably includes a *vast* number of people who never came back -- and they don't *say* anything about that. That's NPOV right there. --Baylink 01:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I only tweaked the 95 million user sentence, but is that better? (Hint: You could have fixed it yourself.) --User.lain 03:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I know.  :-) Yes, I like that characterization better. There a lot of work to do, yet, clearly. And yes, I plan to do some of it. I'm just cranky because MySpace is down. (For the third time this weekend, apparently; I dunno whether it's LA power problems -- what a fantastic choice of place for a data center -- or bad hardware.) That's not really why I'm cranky, but it sounded good. :-) "Reports" is a nice way to call them liars, yes. I'll be back to this page tomorrow night, when I'm less cranky. --Baylink 04:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Tweaking is done to not suck! Im dropping the Neutrality warning... thank me please. -- Chris Ccool2ax contrib. 06:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I tweaked the wrong section. Now I'm going to try and make this article.. i don't know... good? -- Chris Ccool2ax contrib. 06:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm mainly devoting so much time tonight to this article because Myspace is down. Normaly im half Wiki half myspace. I don't think the Criticisms section is not neutral. All criticisms are presented neutrally, and if anyone has evidence to the contrary, please present it now. -- Chris Ccool2ax contrib. 06:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what you all are talking about, but myspace reported 50 million unique visitors last month. Who can really be considered a user who doesn't use the service at least once a month?

Homosexuality

Why is Homosexuality listed under "See also"? I don't see the connection.--82.41.96.242 14:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I've removed it for now- it seems like an immature editor added it as a joke. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 14:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Emo

Same question as homosexuality. "Emo" isn't mentioned throughout the entire article, but is linked to? If it's being proposed that MySpace is an "emo" site, at least make some mention of it in the article. Mouse 17:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

It is filled with emos, it's true, and it may have even played a part in the rise of emo music and the arguably ridiculous subculture attitudes associated with it. However, some explanation should be given in the article.

Islamic terrorism?

I removed the following passage in the Security section: "In addition, the use of MySpace by Islamic political activists has raised concerns about links with terrorism, which threatens national and international security". Gimme a break, "links with terrorism"? No. Say what you will about MySpace, but there are no grounds to claim it has "links with terrorism". Anyone can create a MySpace profile, including radical Islamists. Though I suppose one could argue that MySpace should delete such profiles, you can't blame them for the fact that people create them. The sources aren't great, either: One link is to the right-wing "news" site WorldNetDaily, and another is for a personal blog. While there is an ABC News link, all it says is that Al Qaeda members have created MySpace profiles. szyslak (t, c, e) 22:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Fake profiles - Promoting illegal downloading?

Another criticism that might need to be added is encouraging music piracy or illegal downloading through fake profiles. I've found fake MySpace profiles for bands (some claim to be run by the band; others don't) that have popular songs by those bands available not only for streaming, but also for download. Meanwhile, not many bands who are on major labels and who have MySpace pages do not allow MySpace visitors to download their songs. Has this received any attention in the press at all? And has MySpace done anything to address this? --Idont Havaname (Talk) 02:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm really surprised that this hasn't gotten a lot of attention. I have my own "music page" because I want certain songs that bands don't offer on my space. However, for piracy reasons, I have disabled the ability to download songs, because I really don't feel like getting sued or having any possible legal trouble. It's something that needs to be fixed, but until it is, it's going to continue to be a "problem." --CanesOL79 22:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Questions About Myspace

I've got some questions about Myspace that I wanted to ask, please answer them independently if possible:

  • Doesn't it cost an enormous amount of money to pay for bandwidth (the in and out information from a website server(s) to the computers who are requesting information). So how does Myspace pay for the enormous bandwidth that must come with being such a popular website?
    • Entirely through advertising, through which with 300 employees, server bandwidth, servers themselves, and computers for the employees to work on, must cost a VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY to pay for all of these things, the employees' salaries and server bandwidth being the ones which are an ongoing expense. Is MySpace Free? --TAz69x 08:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • How does Myspace generate revenue to pay for its enormous bandwidth and 300 employees?
    • These first two questions are answered here: Is MySpace Free? Dansiman 13:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Cool, thx for that link. I've filled in the first question briefly to help those who look over this part of this discussion page.--TAz69x 08:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
      • So I was wondering, how much money does their Advertising generate?
        • Answer: Millions.
      • Do you know any details of their advertising deal(s)?
        • Answer: No.
      • I've never really seen any advertising on Myspace. Where is the advertising located, and/or in what form is it?
        • Answer:Look at banners on top of profiles, banners on the side of you're "home" center. Banners when you sign out, and sometimes as soon as you sign in.*** I've also noticed a lot of movies are setting up their movie websites on Myspace now, for example, The John Tucker Must Die website. I've noticed movies taking advantage of Myspace's growing popularity. [1] John Tucker Must Die official website as given by the trailers. Do the studios have to pay any fee to set up this form of advertising of theirs? --TAz69x 08:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Answer: John Tucker must die already has an official website, this is simply an official portal. Movies, musicians and such can freely have a profile like any other person/venue, in order to get promotion all around myspace (i.e. your home section) they must pay.
      • ... continued Or are they taking advantage of an immensely popular website to have free advertising which may in fact prove more popular and get more hits than an expensive website that they'd have to pay for/set up on their own server themselves?--TAz69x 08:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)--TAz69x 08:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Answer: Again, most of these movies/musicians/personalities have an official website. They can have a free profile, but in order for it to be advertised all over myspace, they pay.
  • What kind of servers does Myspace use?
  • Answer:Really heavy ones.
  • Does Myspace house its own harddrives to store all of its users pics and other media material, and if so, are they kept on the servers themselves?
  • Answer: No.
  • PS - what's the current amount in GB of information stored on Myspace concerning their users' media?
  • Answer: Alot.


Thanks for all your help! -TAz69x 03:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't really care, but I don't think this is the approprate place to ask any of that. I might be wrong though. – Mütze 16:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The policy seems pretty lenient as to what can be discussed in talk pages :) Mathiastck 00:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

lindsay lohan's alleged myspace account

the real thing

Funny, but uhh...

Vandalized

This article has been vandalized a lot lately. They should put a protection on it.--Twintone 16:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Myspace Technical problems?

  • It looks as if Myspace is going through some technical difficulties today. First, I logged in and it said that my account was deleted, then it said all of the people on my friends list had had their accounts deleted, then it seemed as if every user had their accounts deleted. As of 30 seconds ago, every thing you click on shows you a "Sorry! A technical error has occured. A message about this problem will be sent to Myspace's technical staff." This must mean that they are trying to fix the problem. Further technical problems for Myspace? (I've talked to many of my friends, and they all say that their profiles have been deleted, probably confirming that Myspace is having more problems.) --The faceless one 16:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I have had the same problem all day today. It was ok last night, then today, it's been apparently deleted. They better get their act together. Norum 12:45 28.07.2006
  • seems fixed now. had that problem this morning along with everyone i know. Antmoney85 17:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Click on your inbox or "post bulletin" and their will usually be a message from "Tom" explaining the problem. This problem was that things were being moved to servers.
Everything is fine now. I experienced the same problems when I signed on today. I figured it was server problems, and it turns out that it was so. That's going to happen with a huge site like MySpace, where terabytes of data have to be securely stored and made easily accessible by millions of users. Hopefully it won't happen too often, though they seem to be reverting back to their way of compressing and storing user pages. --CanesOL79 22:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:OR

Please remember Wikipedia no original research and verifiability policies. Those that are not cited with sources will be removed. Iolakana|T 16:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


I had the same issue happen this morning. Stating my account has been deleted. I thought I was loosing my mind. I am so glad it was others and not just my self. Thanks

Emotional Issues

What about all the emotional issues with myspace, such as the addictivness, the stress over being or not being on someones "top friends", the need to have hundreds of friends and receive many comments. Sounds funny, but it could be serious for some people, mess them up. 68.203.243.154

I agree with you that emotional and personal issues in the myspace environment are important in the day to day life of a myspace regular. It isnt really needed for this article though- this article is more about myspace itself, and when it comes to controversies, its more about security issues and page layouts.

Emotional issues are also similar on sites like bebo (though not as strict as on myspace). RandallFlagg Scotland 15:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

WEASEL WORDS

forget what I said about this article being unbalanced and contradictory, but it had weasel words, last time i checked this article... --Hatemyspace 21:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Become a moderator of a Myspace Group!

Should i post this site i found, that actually works!, that gives you instructions on how to hack myspace groups and become a moderator/leader so u can delete wut ever post u want!?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Deananoby2 (talk • contribs)

I don't think so. 68.203.243.154
Likewise.. Just dish it out to those who ask. Need to know, that sort of thing..
Anyways, could be considered advertising a site which doesn't help all too much for Wikipedian value. DrWho42 02:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Technical Issues

How do you feel about making a section about the numerous techincal problems myspace has? It goes down 4 or 5 times a week. -- 68.235.47.38 04:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Tom Anderson's Net Worth and other questions (btw, what rhymes with "Questions"?)

I have a lot of questions here. You only have to answer a single question at at time if you want to, I don't care about having them all filled out all at once. Please, only answer if you have a serious direct answer to my question, and you're knowledgeable on the subject. Everyone hates a "you should have asked this here..." type responses! lol. Anyways, thanks for all of your help, the best people around are those that help with questions in a very informing and knowledgeable kind way, no matter how the question may sound. Thanks for your time.

I was wondering, with a website as popular as Myspace.com (fourth in the world I think, for a while, fluctuating up and down of course, but an average), anyways, like I was saying, with a website as popular as Myspace.com, I was wondering:

  • How rich is Tom Anderson?
    • Answer -
  • Do you have a $Dollar$ Value?
    • Answer -
    • Or if not, do you have a close estimate?
      • Answer -
  • Do you have a timeline of his wealth since the site was created? (in 2003 I believe)
    • eg. like this:

2003

April: $60,000

May: made $20,000 last month; $80,000

June: Notes: Made advertising deal with Virgin.com for a contract of $60,000 per month for top-banner ads for 6 months, payments will start next month

made $20,000 on other advertising deals last month; $100,000(this last one is always net worth)

July: Notes: Virgin.com advertising deal commences

made $80,000 including $60,000 monthly Virgin.com contract; $180,000

August: made $80,000; $260,000

September: made $80,000; $340,000

October: made $100,000; $440,000

November: Notes: New deal negociated with music company, new-friend added feature for advertising music names will draw in an extra $50,000 per month

made $100,000; $550,000

December: Notes: music company deal starts this month

made $150,000; $700,000

2003 ended: $800,000 made total from Myspace.com for Tom Anderson

2004

January: made $150,000; $850,000

...and so on! This would be a perfect way to visually see and reference the progression of Tom Anderson's wealth. I heard he brings in millions in advertising on Myspace, and after paying for bandwidth, the salaries of 300 employees, and for the servers/computers/any other computer equipment needed, I'm sure Tom Anderson still makes a pretty penny. So I was just wondering how rich he has become, and how fast his rise to fame (richness) has been. Thanks so much for your help!

Oh, and one more question. I'm currently learning (X)HTML, C#, Java, Javascript, and PHP to learn how to make web pages like eBay and Myspace. But I've seen so many other people so knowledgeable in this area (website programming on eBay quality) out on the internet, giving advice, and even on wikipedia itself. And I was wondering, if somebody like Tom Anderson can become so rich so quickly creating Myspace.com, why aren't there so many more rich millionaires out there like him from people who have made web pages?, like the guys here on wikipedia who know everything in and out of PHP for example?

  • Answer -

Why don't they just go out and create a webpage that will start to generate millions of dollars?

  • Answer -

And if one idea doesn't work, why don't they just continue on with a bunch of ideas, perhaps all at once, until they hit an idea that starts to make millions?

  • Answer -


Also, one last question! (Thanks for your time!, some ppl are just dicks when it comes to giving a straight f-ing answer, but thanks for the people who are actually giving good answers from their time, you're really helping me get my foot in the door for some of the questions I always have). Anyways, my last question, if I wanted to create a website like Myspace.com right now, let's say in the next month or few months or something, what would I need/need to do to do so? (Just wondering, I'm not actually going to create another Myspace!).

  • Answer -

(eg. 1. come up with an idea, 2. start programming the website, 3. start testing the idea, 4. invent $1000 in a simple Dell desktop server, 5. Register a .com domain name, 6. set the DNS server to direct the ip address of the domain name to the ip address of your Dell desktop server, 7. set up your website on your desktop server, 8. when there are enough hits per day on your website, start making some advertising deals for profit, 9. use ad money to buy a better server like "this type" from "this site" and set it up like they say on "this web site" 10. pay for bandwidth with ad money, 11. start setting up more advertising deals, "this site" might help!, 12..., thanks so much!)


Would I have to just register a domain name like Yourspace.com from some internet service to be listed under a DNS server? Perhaps link it to a cheap $1200 Dell desktop server ip address that I have sitting on my home desk. Then set up my website on there? Or perhaps not even buy a server myself, but set up my website on some other server on the internet that the DNS servers will link my webpage Yourspace.com to. Then as I start getting more visitors, set up an advertising deal(s) with some companies. Then as advertisers are paying me as I'm getting more visitors, and I'm getting tight on harddrive space and server bandwidth, use my advertising revenue to buy my own server/hard drives, then set up like a Microsoft Xenox server to host my website from now on, then use the rest of the money to start paying for bandwidth costs of having so many people visit my website. Then from there on use the same sort of strategy to host my website and get it going?

  • Answer (and comments!) -


Would I be able to just register a domain name like Yourspace.com for $200 a year or so or whatever it costs, then upload my website to whatever server might be hosting my site, then make deals with advertisers to get my site going and eventually get my own server(s)?

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Or is there something else I'd have to do to start up a Yourspace.com instead of just registering a domain name, then start getting visitors and set up advertising for revenue?

  • Answer (and comments) -


Can you get revenue from advertising on your own website when you register the domain name for like $200 from one of those registration sites? Or is there some reason that you couldn't get revenue from your own website (though I don't see why not, as you're just paying for DNS server action, nothing else!)

  • Answer -


How many people for a Yourspace.com type website could one of those $1200 or $4000 dollar Dell desktop servers host, let's say daily or at a time?

  • Answer -

How much bandwidth could it handle?

  • Answer -

(eg. 500mb in/out at any time)


Would I have to buy an expensive Xenox-type server initially for my own Yourspace.com website to set it up with advertising? Or could I just register a domain name like Yourspace.com and host it on some online server. Then get revenue from advertising and then eventually buy my own Xenon-type server?

  • Answer (and comments!) -


Thanks SO MUCH for all of your help and questions. This means a lot to me to get help from people that know what they're talking about, and to answer questions that are blank spots to me.-TAz69x 14:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


Myspace Legal Issues

There are several documented cases about about sexual preditors, students conflicts with schools, people loosing jobs, etc., associated with myspace. Personally I think it would qualify for it's own article to list some of the more high profile ones but I wanted to make sure people didn't think it would be a candidate for speedy deletion.--Twintone 21:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


In the current version of the MySpace entry under Legal Issues, it reads "...The law is known as the Deleting Online Predators Act (DOPA)." This is not correct: it is only a bill, not a law, and has not been passed by the Senate or signed into law by the President. Whoever referred to the bill as a "law" was either careless or obviously doesn't understand the legislation process in the United States. --Arlen

Internet literacy of MySpace users

There's very little on this page about how young people actually use MySpace and whether or not they can be savvy Internet users on such sites. A source like this could provide some nuance for this article, but I don't really see a place to discuss such information without disrupting the flow of the current article. (Jimmy doesn't want our articles choppy!) Any ideas? Jacqui★ 20:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Celebrities with MySpace accounts

Any objections to this category? It would only be for confirmed account holders. -- Zanimum 17:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

= Yes. I think it's too trivial.

I think this will answer why this category will probably end up being deleted: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of celebrities and musicians with a MySpace profile --AlexTheMartian | Talk 17:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

"Anglosphere"

This term isn't in the dictionary. I think it's bad practice to use terms that imply cultural connections between things, whether vague or not, that aren't immediately obvious to a layperson, especially without contextualisation, because it complicates things and is a de facto kind of POV. I'd prefer the term "English speaking countries", or "English speaking developed nations".... something like that.

Rate of Growth

Myspace count on the evening of August 21, 2006

Actually growth of 1,000,000 per week appears to be an under- rather than over-estimate, given that the 100 millionth account was signed up 12 days ago (August 9th), and the current count stands at over 103 million (as illustrated by this small screen cap taken a few minutes ago). That actually suggests a sign-up rate of over 1.5 million a week. Sadly, I'm referring to personal investigation here which means OR, but just commenting to demonstrate that the claim that has recently been reverted was not in the least implausible. It only takes some simple arithmetic. People shouldn't be quite so hasty on the trigger. Cain Mosni 19:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Following on from that, it is now around 69 hours later, the count stands at 104,057,955, which puts the signup rate at 1.95 million per week, so as I said - under- not over-estimate. Cain Mosni 15:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the statement which said "The website also attracts 500,000 new members each day." because it constitutes original research and has no source (as Cain Mosni says). People can do the maths - just give the reported facts. -- zzuuzz (talk) 10:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I've found a recent source[2] which says that on an average day they will sign up 230,000 new users. This source also seems to be a useful reference for quite a lot of other information. -- zzuuzz (talk) 11:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Excellent. Funny that that article should appear on the same day as my calculation. Of course, being Fortune, they're about 3 weeks aout of date, but hey... :) Cain Mosni 12:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Impersonation

Why is there nothing in this article mentioning impersonation? There are hundreds of people posing as celebrities (and often when there is already a page for the actual celebrity) and fictional characters yet nothing is mentioned. It is a very important bit of information to go in this artcile. Mr.bonus 15:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reference for that? -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes. Search for some celebrities or fictional characters (eg, Batman, Alan Partridge, Ross Geller) and you will see for yourself. I would have wrote it myself in the article but I don't know how to word it and where to put it. There is a see also link to impersonation, but nothing about it is mentioned in the main article. Mr.bonus 15:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
It is probably more important to get reliable sources so it fits with the policy of no original research. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Other Sites Related to Myspace

We need to list the various sites that support MySpace. Youtube, flicker, sites that give animated icons, myspace editors, etc. Mathiastck 17:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't get it? A great many notable sites made their start by just providing content for myspace users. Flicker, Youtube, etc. The correlatin needs to be mentioned here. We don't just need links, but we at least need to mention the other notable sites. Oh I should mention, I'm pretty biased (I work at MySpace, so I kind of won't edit anything but the talk page myself, or pariticipate in votes on it, etc. All I will do is suggest :) Mathiastck 08:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't really class individual layout sites as notable - they are already mentioned as a group. YouTube already has its own section. Do you have a reference for Flickr owing its growth to MySpace? -- zzuuzz (talk) 11:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
No I really don't have any references :) I try not to download an execute software unless I trust it. I have a higher likely hood of trusting software if I can find it on wikipedia. I had hoped that

"Thomas' Myspace Editor" http://www.strikefile.com/myspace/ http://www.myspace.com/MyspaceThomas would be mentioned somewhere on wikipedia. There a variety of support websites, as I put them, that people use to create the content on their myspace page. You say they are mentioned as a group. Are the collectively, as a group notable enough for wikipedia? I'd make the article myself, except I don't know much about what people do use to create their myspace. I have yet to download the editor I mentioned above, for example. I'd need help to create the article I'm asking for :) Mathiastck 16:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC) Ah, it appears the editor isn't an exectuable as I feared, its a web page :) Mathiastck 19:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

regardless of the vadility of a content site, wiki is not an advertising site. wiki is not here to tell people how to make a myspace page. it is an encyclopedia. --Ace the bunny 10:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, is Youtube notable? Mathiastck 18:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
YouTube has its own article, is one of the most popular sites on the Internet (and is one of the fastest growing), plays 100 million clips per day, is probably worth over half a billion, and has received wide coverage in third-party media. Yes it has some notability. Why do you ask? -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Demographics

This article should list the demographics of its users (e.g. LiveJournal#Demographics). 24.126.199.129 04:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, I'll see if I can find a source. Mathiastck 08:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Average?

The picture is apparently of an "average" myspace account - I don't think that represents the average myspace account.

--T3h 11:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Why not? How would you describe the "average" myspace account. Mathiastck 16:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Tom Anderson is the co-founder. He is by definition not the average account-holder (unless all hundred million are also co-founders which they quite clearly are not), and his account is therefore not average either. I think that's the point being made. Anyhow, in this context, the word is not "average" (which implies statistical analysis, and finding an exemplar of the outcome) but "typical". It still requires a source reference which describes the common user, then an account which fits the stated criteria. Tom Anderson's is no more typical than it is average. Add to that you also have to have the permission of the account holder whose account you use as your example. Cain Mosni 17:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Tom's Account, judging by having just looked at it, seems like it is designed specifically to be similar to the typical account. That's the purpose right? He's everyones first friend (Oh that reminds me of a T Shirt idea I had "I was Tom's first friend on MySpace all rights reversed"). Everyone looks at his profile and then goes, I can do that! Mathiastck 19:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Censorship of MySpace

I added the section because I don't think it's fair to say that censorship of MySpace is MySpace's fault or something to be critical of MySpace about because it's a matter of personal opinion. 58.163.131.185 16:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Citations needed

Huge claims within this article are without citation. Please make sure we're not in the process of adding original research to this article. I know that there has to be a reputable news story regarding some of these lawsuits that are claimed in the criticism section, so make sure the {fact} tags are getting replaced with good sourcing on the claims being presented here. There also seems to be quite a bit of MySpace user experience being threaded in between the lines (e.g. I removed a "usage" section that complained about how user comment/response is not a threaded process...complete OR). ju66l3r 19:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

To add, I have serious problems with the poor usage of the {fact} template that this Australian IP editor continues to add to things like "MP3s" (what are you claiming needs to be cited??)...and then removes from items like "...a 14-yr-old girl is sueing the company...". They also revert whole changes that improve the article without any edit summary to speak of or determine what they are doing to the article. Without input from that editor on the discussion page about their reversions or edit summaries, I can't begin to assume why they think their edits are good ones given the misuse of things like the {fact} template and re-addition of non-verafiable sections like the "usage" paragraph that is more like OR and observation than reportable subject matter. Anyone care to comment on their changes to begin finding consensus since I'm clearly running out of reversions and patience? ju66l3r 05:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

MySpace Groups

If MySpace is such a phenomenon that needs documenting, should there not be a section discussing such things as the MySpace groups that you can belong to? Or have I just not read the article closely enough? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Curious Gregor (talk • contribs) .

All MySpace pages don't pass W3C Validation?

I toned down this claim--Feline1 had mentioned that the statement might be true for all pages because MySpace templates are invalid. There is at least one valid MySpace template, based on the following steps.

  1. Download this template http://www.freelayouts.com/templates/view/4422
  2. Upload the page for validation using the local upload option at: http://validator.w3.org/
  3. Validator responds with "This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict!"

Antonrojo 13:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

That's an externally generated code. None of the MySpace.com code passes because most pages don't have a doctype.-- Chris chat edits essays 13:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

-this is trivial

Chain Bulletins

'Although practically every other social networking website includes some sort of bulletin feature, MySpace is the only one that suffers from chain bulletins. This is due to the userbase who are mainly high school-age teenagers, whilst a website like Facebook caters mostly to college-age teenagers and young adults.'

Bebo also does, perhaps worse than Myspace, in my experience at least. Can I change? And how to work this into sentence? Srxcef 21:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Is MySpace mainly anything? It has a 100 million users. I should mention, I'm partial on this subject.Mathiastck 23:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Bulletins and help needed

I added a section about bulletins. There's no doubt it deserves it's own section. There were 3 other other sections I'm suggesting could be included in the article:

  • MySpace Groups
  • MySpace Search Engine
  • Internal E-mail System

However, I'm also thinking that the article is long enough as it is and that those new sections that I propose (but not fully support) might not be important enough to place in an an encyclopedia article.

Any feedback?

203.49.211.146 05:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The search engine and internal email system are quite non-notable features appearing on loads of other websites. I can't see how they would warrant more than a passing reference. Perhaps instead of three whole sections it could be fitted into a single sentence under 'features'. MySpace has a search engine and internal email system. -- zzuuzz (talk) 10:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
sounds like that would be a good idea.--Ace the bunny 10:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I put bulletins and groups it's own section because I think it warrants it. The internal search engine and internal e-mail system is already mentioned in the opening paragraph of the article anyway so there's no need for it. btw I'm the same user who started this conversation. I have a dynamic IP. Comments? 58.163.130.47 21:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You did a pretty good job... I tried to fix it up a little. -- Chris chat edits essays 04:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I say it's notable, but I'm biased. Mathiastck 12:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Dave Itzkof

one major Criticism section was a summary of an article by the aforementioned man. I think that it seemed a bit too much like an ad. Here's the text of the section if someone wants to salvage some of the content. -- Chris chat edits essays 02:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


Social and cultural

- Dave Itzkoff, in the June 2006 issue of Playboy magazine, related his experiences experimenting with membership in MySpace. Among his criticisms are that the distance afforded by the Internet emboldens members, such as females who feature photos of themselves in little clothing on their profile pages, to behave in ways that they would not behave in person, and that this duplicity undercuts the central philosophy of MySpace, which is to bring people together. Itzkoff also references the addictive, time-consuming nature of the website, mentioning that Playboy Playmate and MySpace member Julie McCullough, who was the first to respond to his Add request, refers to the website as "cybercrack". Itzkoff claims that MySpace gives many people access to a member’s life, without giving the time needed to maintain such relationships, and that such relationships do not possess the depth of in-person relationships. - - Itzkoff is particularly critical of the disturbing and fraudulent behaviour of people who can contact a member, unsolicited, as when he was contacted by someone expressing a desire to socialize and date, but whose blog (to which Itzkoff was directed via subsequent emails) turned out to be a solicitation for a series of commercial porn sites. Itzkoff is also critical of more subtle commercial solicitations on the site, such as the banner ads and links to profiles and video clips that turn out to be commercials for new 20th Century Fox films. Itzkoff also observes that MySpace’s much-celebrated music section is heavily weighted in favor of record labels rather than breakthrough musicians. - - Itzkoff also related criticism from another person he calls "Judas", who asserts that while the goal of attempting to bring together people who might not otherwise associate with one another in real life may seem honorable, it violates a social contract that exists when people interact in person, which render MySpace nothing more than a passing fad: - - :"There will come a moment when, like deer quivering and flicking up their ears toward a noiseless noise in the woods, the first adopters will suddenly realize they’re spending their time blogging and adding and gawking at the same alarming photos an army of 14-year olds are and, quick as deer, they’ll dash to the next trend. And before you know it, we’ll all follow.”

Is Dave_Itzkof notable? Mathiastck 12:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Usage and Utility

Should we remove this section? 203.49.187.150 05:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Why? Mathiastck 12:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
It appears to be original research, talking about what Tom Anderson intended, what happens often, what is convenient, and so on. When you remove the non-encyclopaedic material there is not much left. -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
It is WP:OR and I've removed it a number of times to have a set of anon IPs put it back in without any talk page discussion or edit summary. I got tired of reverting it to no end and walked away. Good luck. It should definitely be toast. ju66l3r 18:21, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I should probably get a username soon! I was the one that started this conversation. My opinion now, I think that it is important that we leave it there but it definitely needs to be tweaked with to make it more encyclopedic. 203.49.223.254 22:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Vote: Should we have a section in the article about users who use MySpace features (i.e. comment system) in a way that Tom Anderson didn't intend them to be used?

No - 203.49.223.254 22:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Should we have a vote? No need. There are blatant problems with this section. In particular we do not know what Tom Anderson intended, nor are we likely to find out. Second, we have no source to tell us how users use the features. Until these basic conditions are satisfied there is no way it can be included. -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:17, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll remove it. The fact that user's often send messages to their friends via the comment system is already mentioned in the article anyway. 203.49.223.254 23:23, 3 September 2006 (UTC)