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[edit] SA-15 missiles

There are several reasons to be highly esceptical of the presence of SA-15 missile systems in the Myanmar Army inventory. First of all 2 out of the 4 sources provided are news reports that only say that such equipment may be bought, not that it actually has been so. That leaves the IISS as the only source for the inclussion of these missiles in this articles. It wouldn't be the first time the IISS reports unconfirmed deals as facts. I think we need further confirmation before listing SA-15 as part of the Myanmar Army inventory. For the moment I'll remove those sources that talk about a possible deal rather than reporting one. --Victor12 13:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I only provided them for completeness for the reference. As you may aware, detail information relating to Myanmar armed forces and their ORBAT are very scatchy. What little information available are often render completely useless by excessive political propaganda from the opposition groups. The only two sources that have provided somewhat useable information with supporting details are IISS and ANU's Strategic and Defense Studies Centre. IISS Military Balance is based on various military sources including informations drawn from UN Register of Conventional Arms, however, we all know full well not every country disclose the real orbat figures and that the real figures often tends to be somewhat higher than official figures that are registered. For example: In 2003/2004, Russian Federation registered with UN Register of Conventional Arms for the transfer of 14 Combat Aircraft (MIG-29), however, in Myanmar ORBAT (published by SDSC-ANU), only listed 12 MIG-29. This lead to missing 2 MIG-29 in Myanmar orbat. Either Myanmar government deliberately withhold the information relating to two other MIGs, Russia wrongly registered the transfer or SDSC-ANU simply got the figure wrong. However, I am highly skeptical about someone from wikipedia being able to call up Russian MOD to confirm the weapon sale over the phone. I do belive this to be a hoax.. given the name General Ivan and Admiral Yuri. This to me is someone trying to deliberately vandalise the article without having valid source of information. Okkar 14:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I've been checking the UN arms transfers register (http://disarmament.un.org/UN_REGISTER.NSF), however it only provides data up to 2005 so no word on SA-15s delivered to Myanmar. They do mention 10 combat aircraft transferred in 2002 and 4 in 2001, no other deliveries are mentioned for the 1992-2005 period. I also have an AFM magazine from July 2006 which while reporting a possible second MiG-29 deal (for an undisclosed number), says there were 12 Fulcrums received from Russia. Furthermore, have you checked this site? http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/aa-eastasia/burma/burma-af-aircraft.htm makes for quite an interesting read, they only mention 10 MiG-29s though. --Victor12 14:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I subscribed to AFM monthly and yes you are right, AFM stated only 12 Fulcrums. It seems to me that the actual figures would be between 14 - 10 Fulcrum according to all these sources. AFM is usually quite accurate, especially reporting on the loss and damage aircrafts and also new transfer/buy deals. The second "possible" Mig-29 deal that AFM reporting is part of the deal including Tor M-1 and Buk systems for minerals and barter. Although no official confirmation is avilable on whether this deal ever materialised from both Myanmar and Russia, the recent gas drilling concession grants to two Russian state owned companies in Myanmar's offshore A-1 gas block amid fierce bidding war between China, Russia and India would suggest that the deal may have been strucked. This may well be connected to IISS report of Tor M-1 and Buk systems in Myanmar Army orbat. btw: I have seen the website you mentioned, although it missed out a number of aircrafts that were once in Myanmar Air Force inventory. Also, they wrongly stated about the remaining numbers of Bell 205A-1s. Okkar 16:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better if we put something like unconfirmed next to the Tor and Buk entries? --Victor12 17:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I have no objection on that. Okkar 17:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 19:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)