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Another new song.
i think there's one called "The World Is Ugly". (lol) they played it live in hong kong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justicemanlulz (talk • contribs) 07:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Can you verify that? Blkeddie! (talk) 07:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- None of the "new songs" are confirmed yet. They haven't been officially given names yet. There are videos of them on YouTube singing a song with the lyrics "The world is ugly" in it but it does not have a confirmed name. It's not even confirmed if this will be a song on the album or used anywhere in the future. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 21:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
there's another song called desert song apprently —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.65.145 (talk) 21:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The word 'apparently' is not relevant enough for this site. It basically screams out 'no proof, just opinion and gossip.' Besides, I don't think My Chemical Romance would call one of their songs The World is Ugly. It's just totally unlike them. Desert? Maybe.. But their songs titles are usually strong. To me, Desert does not sound like a strong title. Love,♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.27 (talk) 20:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- It's not called Desert. It's called Desert Song. It's on Life on the Murder Scene. It's not a new song. --Nishad (talk) 02:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.71 (talk) 15:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Too Much Praise
"American Music Award-nominated, Grammy Award-nominated, American rock quintet?" That's a very complex way of saying "My Chemical Romance is the best band ever." --Mr cutty (talk) 17:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
- I removed all of it. Green Day which is a good article does not even have something similar in the beginning. It's short and simple. I changed it to be similar. Orfen User Talk | Contribs 20:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
& I believe otherwise. My Chemical Romance is not an emo band. End of discussion. I don't know why there are so many contridictions and such over this. They are not emo! Get over it, man! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.28 (talk) 18:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Why not emo on music styles section?
Seriously, AMG is the only source there now and they clearly states them to be emo. And MCR is a fucking emo band, get over it.--Gustav Lindwall (talk) 12:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
MCR themselves detest the phrase emo, so I'd say that's the best source available Rmh792 (talk) 18:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I may as well play classical music and call it black metal. nevertheless, it's still classical music. 85.250.125.4 (talk) 22:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- It wouldn't make sense calling Classical, black metal, although it would make sense to call a rock band, simply rock. Besides, they're denying and testifying against emo, not calling themselves a totally different genre Blkeddie! (talk) 08:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
MCR is never emo! LOL. I'll say its fake.Blackiedog (talk) 10:52, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
A reliable source is fake? Are you kidding me? It doesn't matter what the band says they are. They're not a third party source so you can't take their statements against emo into account in deciding what genre they are. Timmeh! 15:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well then, then the topic becomes this, what exactly is emo? It's just a word to describe all the new wave of rock bands, but it still doesn't cover any musical styles does it?
You might call The Used emo, but they sound considerably different from My Chemical Romance. Blkeddie! (talk) 08:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
My Chemical Romance is not an emo band. All 5 current members of the band (Gerard Way, Mikey Way, Ray Toro, Frank Iero, and Bob Bryar) hate the fact that people categorize them as emo. Emo is singing about suicide, dying, depression, etc. My Chemical Romance does not display this in their music. They would appreciate to be categorized as alternative rock or punk rock. My Chemical Romance may have a diferent style of music but that style is not emo. If you think they're emo, you're wrong. Gerard Way (vocals) has quoted in interviews (including one on MTV), that he thinks emo is "F*ck*ng garbage!" I don't think My Chemical Romance would be emo if they hated it. *hugs & kisses* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.65 (talk) 21:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, maybe if we all read the ARTICLE on emo, then we'd know that MCR bears little to no resemblence to what actual emo is and that emo is NOT singing about death and destruction. We have Morrissey for that. Rites of Spring and early Weezer? Emo. My Chemical Romance? "Radio punk", and nothing more. Skibz777 (talk) 01:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Re: Well we don't all read the articles.. I wasn't trying to offend you in any way. But what is emo then? And Morrissey? :S I've NEVER heard of that before.. I don't believe MCR is emo. Not even remotely. And neither does My Chemical Romance. As I stated before, they think it's "f*ck*ng garbage". [from an interview with Gerard Way] *hugs & kisses* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't want to sound mean (nor do I wish to turn this into a forum discussion), but do you really need to ask questions like "what is emo, then?" when you're on an online encyclopedia which provides these answers with the click of a mouse? I'm surprised these 'emo' discussions even exist when reading a simple paragraph clears just about everything up.Skibz777 (talk) 03:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Re: Well, you've pretty much turned this into a forum discussion by totally disagreeing with me on my first comment. I did read the discussion and comments (etc.) and no place in there does it clearly fact what 'emo' is. However, I did read that this discussion is now about the definition of 'emo', which is what I'm looking for. And frankly, I don't want to sit on the computer searching around for the definition of emo. I don't have time for that. I'm only on this site because of my love for My Chemical Romance. And I think that I, and all other true MCR fans, should defend MCR in the sense that people call them 'emo'. They're not emo. And although my definition of emo may not be everybody elses, it doesn't matter. When I asked "Well, what is emo then?", I meant your opinion. There's no reason to get rude about it. *no hugs & no kisses* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.125 (talk) 02:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Frustrating ... the page for emo doesnt exactly tell you much about emo does it, it puts all these bands up, but they all sound considerably different, My Chemical Romance sound nothing like the bands on the emo page, e.g Moss Icon, Fire Party. What's the point of calling MCR emo when obviously they sound different to any current "emo" band out there. Ruining their image as a rock band.Blkeddie! (talk) 12:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
When using the term emo in music it simply means emotional music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.73.62 (talk) 22:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
No it doesn't, it refers to an offshoot of hardcore punk, "emotive hardcore". It is (or was) a very specific genre which only recently has been expanded to include a whole gamut of music which is seen as over-emotional and narcissistic, such as that of MCR —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdaz (talk • contribs) 17:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
People on the top of this page it says this is not to talk about if mcr is emo or not. Just to end the story take it from a real emo to say this. MCR IS NOT EMO! Real emos hate this band! XxtruemoxX (talk) 20:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC) XxtruemoxX
MCR ARE NOT EMO! You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, they are not an emo band! 62.56.56.183 (talk) 11:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
You know what, MCR are whatever the hell they want to be, so shut up, its over, no more debating, this isn't the place. Go on a freaking forum Blkeddie! (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Blkeddie, before you were stating your opinion on what genre MCR is. Other people have the right to state their opinions too. After all, this is a 'discussion' page. It's 'discussing' MCR and matters about them. PS: maybe you should take your own advice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.108.92 (talk) 23:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed, I'll take my advice, and yours, but it's really no use, because it's just going to be left unresolved, best if everyone drops it now. Blkeddie! (talk) 19:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Many relevant sources cite My Chemical Romance as emo, and for instance I added all those I could find today to the genre section of the band's infobox, anyway, after taking a look at the guidelines, I found out the infobox should aim for generality rather than clearness. Disgraceful. So, I had to change all my sources to the pertinent section of the article, where the genre dispute is referenced. Anyway, going back to the point of those relevant sources, I have to state that MCR indeed sounds as emo, yet, not only from my point of view (which is always disregarded in Wikipedia, as every editor's opinion is disregarded due to a lack of relevance), but from the point of view of many reviewers and editors, some of them active at magazines such as Rolling Stone, and other sources like MTV; in fact, I could find this quote:
"...the album, truly show[s] why My Chemical Romance are above and beyond the best band to come out of the punk/emo/post-hardcore scene." - — Steve, leader of MCRmy, the official MCR street team.
Did you notice the word "emo"? That is what all the sources I cited say -check the article for My Chemical Romance-; they relate MCR to emo music. So, after all, here, in Wikipedia, the real discussions, like this, the discussions which start the fuss, start as discussions among users, but when the debate needs to get serious, they end up being "source wars", where the only active voices of the debate are the sources one can find to back one's opinions. Therefore, I give some value to those editors whose opinions state it clear: MCR has played, at some point -or even at many- of its history, emo music. Even their looking style can easily be catalogued as emo, but I can't find any source for that. It seems like it is common sense, and common sense has not so many sources when there are so many trivial points to debate for this kind of knowledge. And, being that the emo social trend includes not only the musical style, but the fashion, we get even stronger arguments to call MCR a part of it. But, put it easy, fans are always bound to their idol's opinions, and when these "god-like" figures argue against their own roots, of course these analogical "zealots" will be automatically rejecting the truth. And, having no support within fan circles, I'll stick to these sources, and to these editor's opinions, and to my own musical opinions -which I will not include here- referring to riffs, ambient, and other characteristics of the genre, and of some of MCR's material. AFOH (Talk) 18:06, 5 April 2008 (GMT-6)
Obviously, nobody has noticed the clear message at the top of the page. Sources have been found citing MCR as emo and it will stay in the musical styles section. No more genres need to be added to the infobox; Alternative rock is fine there. Nobody is welcome to fuel this debate any longer. We don't need to argue over whether the band is emo or not. AFOH has found several sources, and they will stay. END OF DISCUSSION Timmeh! 00:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Sources, meaning like MTV and magazines, really has no meaning or true value. It's the band that decides what kind of music they play and what genre they would categorize themselves as. MCR is not emo. They hate emo music. They call it "fucking garbage". Now why would they record music that's emo if they hate it? Exactly. They wouldn't. Ahh, could all people who say MCR is emo just get the hell away and just don't listen to them then. If you call yourself a 'fan' and you think they're emo, you have it all wrong. Some frigging people, eh? And if you still think they're emo - get the hell over it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.110 (talk • contribs)
- Sources have meaning on Wikipedia. That's what all the information should be based on. It is absolutely not the band that decides what kind of genre they are. If that were the case, Sum 41 would be classic rock n roll, but they're really pop punk. Wikipedia relies on reliable, third party sources. If you don't like it, don't edit Wikipedia. Any more comments on this topic will be immediately removed per the message at the stop of the page. Timmeh! 22:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
New member of My Chemical Romance
His name is James Dewees.--x0darkshadow0x93 (talk) 5:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
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- He hasnt officially joined yet, he will when they start recording the next album, which could be a while. Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 22:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
WHO PUT THAT MCR'S GENRES ARE PUSSY ROCK AND SISSY ROCK???? SOMEONE CHANGE IT PLEASE!!!!
James Dewees as a new member?
I've heard a lot of talk about James Dewees becoming the sixth member of MCR for their next album...but I haven't seen any proof. Does anyone have a article/interview that confirms this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.181.129 (talk) 03:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Nothing should be added unless theres an official announcement.Inhumer (talk) 07:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I haven't heard anything about a new member yet. I'm not sure MCR fans will be ready for that..
Criticism
Why is this in here? Unjust and unfair. Get rid of it. Before I ad in Marilyn Manson's wikipedia that he's ripping off Alice Cooper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reeblite (talk • contribs) 08:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
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- I agree that the criticism towards them is unfair, but it is notable and should stay Titan50 (talk) 21:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
No, I agree with the first guy. Criticism should not be discussed on a forum (discussion page) about My Chemical Romance. Only MCR's fans visit their sites (well, mostly.. some people with no lives do too). Not that that's a bad thing. Hell, if you have nothing better to do, visit sites about MCR and learn to love 'em! =D I mean, come on, it's so easy to fall in love with their energetic and emotionally touching music. Anyways, back to the topic.. Yah, I think the criticism should be gone. It's totally unfair. Well, at least in my opinion. Besides, what's to criticize? They're amazing at what they do! ♥ Love, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 21:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Who cares. Let people talk, man. It's just a discussion page about MCR. Give the person a break. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.71 (talk) 15:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
- But it's not a discussion page bout MCR in general. It's a discussion page about improving the article ONLY. Zazaban (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Should the Criticism Section contain a note on MCR's connection to the emo aesthetic? This is not a value judgement on whether MCR is emo or not, or whether this is positive or negative, but like it or not, "emo" has become one of the more relevant subculture labels in the last few years, and justified or not, MCR has become THE iconic band of emo music in the popular media, at least superficially. Therefore, shouldn't this issue be addressed somewhere in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdaz (talk • contribs) 17:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Nope. They're not emo. So that doesn't need adding. :)
That's precisely the point, to address the whole emo/not emo debate. MCR is one of the few bands that both benefits from and simultaneously rejects its labeling a an "emo" band, and it has become a large part of their image. More than half of this talk page is flooded with the issue, so it seems relevant to address this in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdaz (talk • contribs) 15:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure then. Add it in. I think that would definetly be valuable and relevant information in the article. =)♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.167 (talk) 22:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Mickey in the bass
In the article someone has posted that Mickey did not learned to play the bass just for joining the band, but I remember I heard he did in the video-diary of Life on the Murder Scene... --Moraleh 17:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I believe it's Mikey. His name given to him at birth was Michael James Way. But that's cool. If Mickey works for you, it's all good. PS - he's so cute ♥ [with or without his sexy glasses] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.175.30 (talk) 02:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Hmm.. I don't know because I don't know the answer to that question. But at least change his name to Mikey =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.183.16 (talk) 19:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Could someone plese change the sections in the article near BP about mikey returning to have sex with them as normal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.18.24 (talk) 10:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Put only studio albums and DVDs in the chronology
I mean in the chronology of each album or DVD page. I think we should do that because they are the main and most relevant releases of their discography, and then delete the demos and EPs. --Moraleh 03:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
