Talk:MV Greenpeace

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I've tagged this as being based on potentially unreliable sources, and since I rewrote most of it and am almost completely responsible for its current state that's not a dig at anyone else. It was originally based totally on information from the greenpeace website, which itself has some pretty POV statements. I rewrote it, putting in qualifiers and caveats as Greenpeace are a pretty controversial organisation, and a lot of their claims are routinely disputed. At the moment the only references are Greenpeace, and it could really do with having some of those claims checked and substantiated by reliable and independent sources. Greenpeace is often accused of failing the former (I don't personally have a particular opinion on this), and it definitely fails the latter. The tags should remain until these issues are addressed. Benea (talk) 17:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

This article is badly out of date, the MV Greenpeace hasn't been in service with Greenpeace since 2001. Although I'm not exactly impartial (I sailed on her) I think I can add some NPOV info plus one of my own photos. 80.57.219.94 (talk) 06:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm reworking this article and have made a number of changes. I have removed the qualifiers around some of the claims, it is well established fact that French commandos did board the MV at Muroroa and that US battleships did ram her etc. The can be corroborated from other sources but until I have some references, I am not going to remove the POV tag but would ask editors not to add these qualifiers again. 80.57.219.94 (talk) 06:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

To be frank, you've opened up all that information for removal, replacing the qualifiers is the least drastic step we can take. Controversial subjects need references, you should have found them and added them as you were making the changes. Sources that I can find are not clear on the issue, see here, where the US Navy says it cannot confirm or deny whether the Greenpeace was rammed. I'm going to add fact tags. If reliable independent sources are not added then I will restore the qualifiers. Benea (talk) 13:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The US Navy is hardly a NPOV source either.80.57.219.94 (talk) 09:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I have added some credible sources (the Guardian, Time magazine and New Scientist) so I think we can drop the sources tag. 80.57.219.94 (talk) 10:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the sources tag as it has been more than 2 weeks since I posted the above comment and no one has challenged it. 59.167.235.250 (talk) 06:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)