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[edit] Azul

-Hi mustafa, why did you link kabylist to kabyle, kabylist among kabyles are very fiew and certainly do not represent the kabyles, Kabyle is ethnic, kabylist is political.

-I saw that it was you who reverted the "people" article editing, if you persist letting the refererence to sourate ennas, why don't you put a refrence to surate echams in the "sun" article.

-Except that, I like how you edit, very NPOV.

-How do you re-direct a page, and how do you cancel it? Agurzil 23:23, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] New Janjaweed Article

As I saw you made a comment when I put the janjaweed article as disputed. Now you find the article under the disputed page. The article is contribution from Dr Ibrahim and he has a book under publication. Check it out Plz.

[edit] Instant messaging/chat

Hi Mustafaa,

On your webpage, the e-mail you give is a hotmail e-mail so I assumed perhaps you have MSN Messenger, and you also obviously have a Yahoo! account (geocities) and I added that too, but I haven't seen you online yet... do you use any instant messaging or chat clients?

--Node 21:35, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I do sometimes. Not that often lately, though. - Mustafaa 14:40, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Zain

Assallam-o-Allaikum

I want you guidance in some topics can you help me in them.

Zain 01:01, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Mustafa please see links which I found on talk page of 'conflict'. Can you add any references from it in the main article?

If you can please add them

Zain 01:01, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] How can i contact alberuni and others?

I tried to contact alberuni, WhisperToMe, Wiesenthaler and Abdel Qadir but I got no response. One of them replied by calling names to 'you know who'. But after that no communication. How can I contact them.

Zain 10:40, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar issues

Mustafaa, I do consider our friend's grammar issues to be serious, and frankly, I don't think I'm up to fixing them, since I often have difficulty understanding what the insertions are supposed to mean, and almost always feel they are irrelevant anyway. Given your expertise in language, would you be able to fix the grammar and ensure relevance and NPOV on these items? Jayjg 21:53, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Pierre Gemayel

Thank you for calling my attention to the possible copyvio status of the article Pierre Gemayel. I have replied here. Season's greetings to you too. David Cannon 05:20, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Please do not redirect - it is vandalismus

Please read the uralic page discussion. Antifinnugor 17:15, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC) About what "clear consensus" are you talking? Your text is: no reason has yet been given why the "Criticism" section of Finno-Ugric languages is not sufficient, and a clear consensus exists there. What clear consensus? With whom? Antifinnugor 17:40, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

With nearly every linguist on Wikipedia, and everyone who's bothered to comment on the article except you. The simple fact is that you're in a minority of one here. - Mustafaa 18:22, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
lol... vandalismus...

[edit] Response from Node

Hi Mustafaa,

At the time I got the message you left on my talkpage, I had just been blocked for 24 hours for (accidentally) violating the 3RR, so I sent you an e-mail. Just thought I'd let you know now in case you didn't see it yet. --Node 19:52, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Zain email

Assallam-o-Allaikum, I have tried to email you through wikipedia email option. But I have not used this option successfully before. So please inform me that have you received the email or not.

Zain 22:17, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Antifinnugor

Hi Mustafaa, I thought you might want to know about Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Antifinnugor. Dbenbenn 21:21, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] what's in a word

hi Mustafaa — I appear to find myself on another sort of linguistic crusade... I invite you to vote here (some background is here and on here). dab (ᛏ) 10:31, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Christians in Iran

Hi, Mustafaa. I'm looking for a spot of help here, if it's not too much to ask. I had previously linked some material to Christians in Iran as it seemed relevant. That added the page to my watchlist, and I realised that there was an edit war going on. It seems that a lot of the page was written by an Iranian evangelical Christian, and there had been a quarrel about its POV. I thought I could do a neutral edit, so I went ahead, and let the talk page know. It seems that the disputants are always anonymous users. There have been two remarks from anonymous users that my disclosed religious background makes it impossible for me to be neutral, the second (on the edit summary) suggesting I'm some sort of fanatic. I am upset that an honest profile is being taken advantage of by anonymous users. Please take a look at the article; please edit anything you feel is POV, and add to the talk page. The contributions pages of some of the anonymous users are quite telling. Sorry to dump this on you. Gareth Hughes 23:23, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius

I know you've been at least half tracking what is going on at Talk:Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius. I'm now pretty sure our originally anonymous correspondent is genuinely expert (see my note there). I'm trying to NPOV his material and get it into the appropriate places. I've changed Uqbar from a redirect to a real article. Could you have a look at Uqbar and Talk:Uqbar? I am sure I am not correctly following Wikipedia conventions for transliteration of Arabic, because I don't know them. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:37, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)

Could you please see my question/comment at Talk:Uqbar#Al-Waraq? And thanks for your help on this! -- Jmabel | Talk 01:50, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arafat's transliterated name

Would you mind commenting on this: Talk:Yasser_Arafat#Muhammad_Abd_al-Rahman_ar-Rauf_al-Qudwah_al-Husayni_or_Mohammed_Abdel-Rawf_Arafat_al-Qudwa_al-Hussaini --MPerel( talk | contrib) 22:22, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 64.81.54.23

Hi Mustafaa, I was about to welcome this new user but then I realized that his or her editing pattern is very much like yours. It it just a not logged in incarnation of you, or should I welcome this new user and thank him/her for his/her valuable contributions? Regards, — mark ✎ 01:27, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Farzad

Wikipedia:Pages_needing_translation_into_English#Farzad You were planning to transwiki Farzad. Is it done? -- Jmabel | Talk 21:44, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Proposed Category:Palestine changes

Hi Mustafaa: Your wise input would help provide further perspective at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#January 15 [1] concerning many naming conventions relating to the "Palestine" issue. Please give this matter your attention soon. Thank you. IZAK 08:04, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please take a look at Muslim music

I took at look at Muslim music and found it misguided. I spent a long time today completely rewriting the article. However, I'm sure that there are still grievous mistakes there, as I am neither a Muslim, a Sufi, or a musicologist. Please take a look and see if there are any corrections to be made. Zora 05:12, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Allah/Hubal

That anon has registered as User:Wells22 and he has reverted back Allah article fifth time now. Keep an eye on that article please OneGuy 23:28, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Islamophobia

This article keeps getting reverted to older version by someone who uses open proxy. Since the policy on wikipedia is to block open proxy for indefinite period, can you keep an eye on the article and block the IP indefinitely after checking that open proxy reverted the article? OneGuy 03:25, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You can block open proxy indefinitely without they blocking any rules OneGuy 18:55, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Do google search on IP, or use your browser to test OneGuy 19:07, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Islamism

I've posted something to the talkpage of this tiresome article, and I'm bothered that my criticism of you might have come across a bit harsh: actually my opinion of you is that you are the lone voice of reason on this topic. I'd like to get this article off my reminders list, which means a name change and merge, I guess with the Islamophobia article. ---- Charles Stewart 21:50, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Western Neo-Aramaic

Happy New (Muharram) Year! I hope that you're doing well. I've started off the article on Western Neo-Aramaic, and I remember you contributing a hint that there was a funny story about why many of the villagers converted to Islam. Please take a look at the article, and fill it out from your source material. I hope I've got my Arabic right: it's mostly backwards transliteration! Have fun, Gareth Hughes 14:28, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a look at the article. I think it needs a little more information in it. Particularly, because so much inaccurate information is often given about the language. The articles on other Neo-Aramaic dialects are developing nicely. I'll do a trawl through Aramaic language again and put it up for peer review soon. Gareth Hughes 10:42, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sudan

Thanks for work on Slavery in Sudan. I made that stub off the top of my head without fact-checking or research. With your corrections, it's starting to look really good! -- Uncle Ed (talk) 16:04, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Abd el-Krim

Thanks for correcting my error; I must have been tired when I typed it. I was trying to remove the passive construction, but somehow missed out the main point. I still have my eye on how to get rid of the passive, but less clumsily. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:44, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Algeria

Mustafaa!

It is too long since we have been working together. Just this morning I checked what you have been up to lately; and just now I spotted your notice on the Africa-related regional notice-board. Could I be of help? I have been reading Algerian civil conflict, and I saw some things I could draw a map of (e.g. Triangle of Death). What do you think is needed most? Kind regards, — mark ✎ 00:36, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm moving in the right direction, but how come there are three places (Sahnoun, Ouled-Tayeb, and El-Abadel) that have the exact same coordinates? Or aren't those names place names?
On a sidenote, I already said that I had been busy with non-Wikipedia things recently. I have nevertheless managed to combine a recent commercial commission with some research into Ajami: check out the Ajami Hausa in the header of this brand new website... (source: Rattray 1913, 2, p. 188). How's that? :) — mark ✎ 20:52, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I need some oil on troubled waters

Dear Mustafaa,

I've been working on the Abu Bakr article and I've ended up in head-to-head conflict with a (probably Muslim) editor who strongly believes that Abu Bakr was justified in conquering the Arab tribes who rejected Islam, that this was the right thing to do, and that the tribes' religion is best described as "idolatry". Told that the word is inherently POV and offensive, he won't budge on using it. Right now, it's just him, me, and a Shi'a editor who's keeping on the sidelines. We need someone to break the deadlock. Could you come over and see if you can come up with a formulation that we would both find acceptable? Zora 03:24, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Algerian civil conflict

I think this article would be better placed at Algerian Civil War, which is much more commonly used. Is there some particular reason why you have given it the present title? Warofdreams 12:53, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] قوات الأمن العراقية

Welcome, I dont understand the placement on the talking area you posted? I shall stop posting yes or no? --Tahqiq Halid as Sab al Alami 08:59, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In a word, yes. What do the Iraqi security forces have to do with it? - Mustafaa 09:20, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)


ترجمة وقوامي أبر ? لرئيسية !

OK, I dont think I shall to be liked here perhaps I go? My english seem to be the causing of departure.--Tahqiq Halid as Sab al Alami 10:03, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You do that. And next time, try using a dictionary instead of just cutting and pasting your Arabic from media articles. - Mustafaa 10:08, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] grammar

hi Mustafaa, I posted a question on Talk:Arabic grammar you may be able to answer. I'm really curious. regards, dab (ᛏ) 10:57, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Marja

You mean "dhaadh", not "dal", right :D?

I am just happy to get some attention from folks on that article and List of Marjas.—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 18:48, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

No, I actually mean dal: it's spelled مرجع تقليد, ie "source of imitation" or "source of tradition" ([2]). Good work on the article; looks like an interesting topic. I wish I knew more! - Mustafaa 18:52, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ah, in that case, I guess you meant "dal" not "dhaad"--I was confused because you said "dal not daal" or something. I am going to check if you or someone has added the Arabic text and translation to the article--will add it if you haven't.—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 19:40, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question on the Word Khalifah

Hello Mustafaa. I have a question which I thought that you as a linguist might help me with. Why is the word Khalifah in Arabic feminine and not masculine. In other words, why would we say “Abu Bakr was Khalifatu Rasouli Allah” and NOT “Abu Bakr was Khaleef Rasouli Allah” (in Arabic, of course)? And if the word Khalifah is masculine, then what would be the feminine form of it? Thank you.A.Khalil 04:49, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Persian

The language is called Persian in English. "Farsi" is the local name for it, not the English name. Compare: German/Deutsch, Arabic/al-'Arabiyya, Finnish/Suomi etc.

--Mani1 20:24, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

...for your support and kind words on my adminship nomination. I'm carefully exploring my new powers. See you soon at Algerian Civil War! — mark ✎ 21:22, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Israeli settlements RFC

There is an outstanding solicitation for comments on the length and relevancy of the Sasson Report section of the article, as well as the removal of the POV tag. Please give us your input. Thank you.--A. S. A. 16:09, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nazarene

Hi Mustafaa, I have enjoyed reading your work for quite some time. Accidentally discovered today someone called User:Jayjg is trying to define certain Judo-religious sects sharing Islamic beliefs as Christian. Could you spread the word.Morasul 13:05, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What on earth are you talking about? Jayjg (talk) 05:24, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Qafa

Greetings Mustafaa. I was wondering if you can help me find information on the etymology of the Arabic word qafa (if that is the correct transliteration), which my references define as 'nape of the neck' (this Arabic word is also found in Persian, but I don't know if it's found in Turkish). A very similar word of unknown etymology and unknown origin is found in Romanian (ceafa, same meaning as in Arabic) and Albanian. The Romanian word is not considered to have entered via Turkish, so the origin is unknown. Decius 22:38, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, qafâ قفا is Arabic for "nape of the neck"; it also means "rear side". The verb qafâ means "to follow".[3] I'm not certain whether the verb derives from the noun or (as I would guess) vice versa. As for its Semitic etymology, I'm not certain; the Hebrew qaphâ' "congeal, curdle, dark, settle" doesn't seem obviously cognate. However, if there are Aramaic or Hebrew cognates at least, User:Garzo and User:Gilgamesh would be good people to ask. A quick Alwaraq search suggests that the word is attested at least from 750 AD, at any rate. - Mustafaa 20:08, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Mustafaa, you've given me some clues, I hope. I'm going to ask some of those Users about the etymology soon. Decius 23:50, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Berber as percentage of total popn Algeria 1966.jpg

Do you license the map Image:Berber as percentage of total popn Algeria 1966.jpg, which you claim to have made, under the GNU Free Documentation License? --Ellmist 18:54, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I did make it, and I do. - Mustafaa 19:44, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Woman imam

Hi, I have a question pertaining to your recent edit. Firstly, I'll assume you won't object to my removal of "peace be upon him" because even if the sentiments are nice it's not very encyclopedic. I would also like you to cite the hadith (which will tell of its strength) and then maybe try to explain either in the article or to me the exact relevance of that. As I understand that it's mainly for modesty purposes as a man's rear is not so covetted by women and its bearing on leading prayer I may be missing. gren 19:56, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That was a continuation of the Qaradawi quote - although I've now managed to find the original hadith. - Mustafaa 20:23, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have put in a request on the NPM list (Network of Progressive Muslims, one of the two or three major discussion lists in the now slightly fractious "Progressive Islam" movement in North America) for people to help us complete the picture.—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 21:23, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Palestinian National Anthem

Regarding the writer or the Anthim , as i said i dont know , but im about 99% sure its not Touqan who wrote "biladi" , and im 100% positive he wrote "mawtini", the info in the article seems to be taken from this site, please note this page [4] , although its not very informative about who wrote the "biladi" anthem , but it points that mawtini is the official national anthem!! maybe it also worth looking at the first quartor or this article. im not able to find out for sure which one is actually the current "official" anthem ,but the issue is not simple thats for sure .--Mayz 02:04, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've never heard this, do you know if it's available for download aywhere? --Irishpunktom\talk 20:49, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi Mustafaa!

No, I haven't done much original comparative linguistics. I've looked at a few things, but mostly I try to synthesize the work of people whose scholarship I respect. I'm sympathetic to long-ranger ideas, but skeptical of a lot of the work. I really like Starotsin, for example, but Greenberg's Amerind was a real fiasco (I know several very good Americanists who were very excited by his claims at first, but then became disillusioned when they examined the data and realized that he didn't bother to use reliable data even when it was readily available, or to confer with anyone who knew the languages, so that nearly all of his putative cognates were invalidated - not just a few percent as his supporters claim), and Würm himself doesn't believe his Trans-New Guinea or Sepik-Ramu phyla will hold up under scrutiny.

As for Adamanese, I don't have access to my material right now. I'll get back on this. As far as I can tell, "first contact" with the Sentinelese meant throwing coconuts and getting shot with arrows. I don't think anyone even tried, say, using the Jarawa word they think might mean "friend", on the assumption that the Sentinelese have only been on their island for a couple centuries. (Not sure where that assumption comes from either, unless it's assumed that 50-100 people isn't a viable breeding population.) Sounds like a buraucrat or two shouted in Panjabi, but that's about it.

May I ask you to look something over? My Arabic is pathetic to say the least, but I've been trying to work out the Arabic originals for English names of the stars on the list of stars by constellation. I think the Chinese and Greek are good to go, and the Persian and Sumerian will have to wait, but the Arabic is about half done (and the English translations haven't been started). If you can point out any errors, I'd appreciate it - or if you know of any online Arabic resources. (I've written to some Jordanian and Moroccan astronomy clubs, but no dice.)

Take care, kwami 08:49, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi again. Some time ago you'd offered to put me in touch with a friend who's done reconstructive work on Proto-Andamanese. I'm still interested if they're willing to share.
Also, Gharbeia's made some nice contributions and corrections to the Arabic star names. If he learned of the page through you, thank you! --kwami 06:42, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Death threats

Just posted the following on Talk:Islam. I hope it didn't come out rude. Just wanted to caution you respectfully

Mustafaa, I don't know which country/continent you operate on, but death threats for things that the extreme right finds inconvenient are not something to be trivialized. For three generations, we have dealt with that. One groups of students I worked with had to stare down the barrel of an AK-47 (one of us literally, at one point) for having the temerity to organized an evening that included musical entertainment (just music; sung by people standing very stiffly and very modestly dressed) for students of a major engineering school in Pakistan in 1984. It drives me nuts to have the student organization that did that (the pointing of the gun) and it's parent political party mentioned as one of the more "moderate" Islamist groups. (One of the largest in the MMA).—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 21:36, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

IMHO, the right way to deal with that fundamental a disagreement, is to do a meticulous job of keeping things real and accurate. And remember, we are not writing in reaction to people we disagree with--we are writing on the Wikipedia to present a complete and realistic picture.—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 00:44, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hwla language

One more down :). Actually, it redirects now to Phla-Pherá languages because I needed to create that to provide context for what proves to be merely a spelling variant of Ethnologue's own Xwla language. See the green dot just above the word 'Anexo' in Image:Gbe languages.png? That's our unclassified 'Hwla'. — mark ✎ 02:02, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiian

Dear Mustafaa,

I know a little Hawaiian, enough to puzzle it out with a dictionary and perhaps an English translation. But I wouldn't DARE to try to translate into it.

A certain Keola Donaghy, who's a power in the local Hawaiian-language schools, made a brief appearance at Wikipedia and corrected the Hawaiian language article. Unfortunately, he didn't get hooked. If he could put kids to work translating, we'd have the germ of a good Hawaiian Wikipedia in short order, AND a bunch of better-informed kids.

I just need to work on it here in the islands. I've been talking to librarians about e-books and ended up talking about Wikipedia as well. Zora 07:09, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Israel and the United Nations

Would you consider reviewing this article and the associated Talk and giving your input? Thanks.--A. S. A. 08:21, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A Night in Tunisia

Many thanks for your answer, Mustafaa, which solved the mystery in a most fitting way! My response is here. All the best, El_C 09:46, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A Day in Algeria

Hi, Mustafaa. Sadly, I need help again (with etymology, again). I have a translated edition of the Diercke Länderlexicon (ISBN 9652200794), and on page 86 of vol.1, Algeria begins, with the 2nd sentence reading:

ts name was given to it by virtue of its capital, Algiers, and its name, itself, is derived from 'al-jazā’ir' which means 'the Islands.' According to a borowed meaning Alegeria is an 'island,' since it is surrounded by the Mediterranean Sea and the sea of the Sahara desert(all quote in the original).

So, today, an Anon edited ([5]) the new intro I created (which integrated this explanation) with the following edit summary: it would be a nice explanation, but the real one is more prosaic. I cursory search reveals the Anon is correct, but my question is, would it be correct to include both (or is Länderlexicon just making things up) ? I really don't know that much about north Africa. Would it be possible for you to look into it for me? Thanks, and sorry for the length of this.

Best Regards,

El_C 00:51, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The anon was actually me, I'm afraid.
That made me smile. :) Yes, your explantion makes it clear that the borrowed meaning was editorializing and juxtaposition by the Diercke enyclopedia, rather than notability to Algeria as such (though, out of the countries of N.Africa it is most fit to be compared with the Maghreb as a whole). So such a statement should be in that (Maghreb) article (it might already be, I have yet to read it), not Alegeria per se. Thanks again for your detailed answer, I found it very informative, and interesting, to read.
I wish to request that you watchlist over the N. African countries as I continue with my African countries opening pargraph project — in any capacity (as an Anon will entail far greater potential for surprises though!). As mentioned, I am far more familliar with southern and central (and to a lesser extent, west) Africa than I do the north, and no matter how good my sources are (and they are good), I am still vulnrable to such discrepancies as depicted above. I'll see if I can integrate any components from your explantion into the Algeria lead, so please keep an eye on that, too.
Once again, many thanks for all your authoritative, comprehensive, and comprehensible help, I very much appreciate your attention and encouragment. All the best, El_C 00:06, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Caricature image in Arab-Israeli conflict article is up for deletion

Please see Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#April 1 regarding this image [6], which IZAK is attempting to delete. There was much Talk concerning the validity and inclusion of this image in the article, and it was accepted through consensus. Please review the talk and the request for deletion, and give your input. I have always regarded it as good example of popular Arab feelings regarding the perception of American pro-Israeli bias, expressed through caricature. But some are claiming it is offensive, in a way that others are not. Do you think it ought to be deleted? Thanks. --AladdinSE 06:17, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cartoon

Thanks for alerting me. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:23, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shark Cartoon

I accept that you have your views. However, I beg to difer. Second of all, your use of language, such as the word "claim" as opposed to the word "view" does indicate that you do have a side in this debate, as I and the rest of the Wikipedia people have. Not to be rude, but given the apparent hastiness in writing the article and your user name it sounds like you would be in a group more sympathetic to the Arab side of this debate.

Third, my main reason of objection as a Wikipedia user is to prevent the site from becoming a data base of political comics, some (as in this case) which may have rascist or anti-ethnic intentions. As I stated in my reply, the Wikipedia is not gallery of poltical views, it is a page of information. Debating is for forums, providing information is for the Wikipedia.

The point however is that, as a Jew and a member of the right (I'm Australian and am in the right-wing Liberal Party, and sympathize with our sister Likud Party), the offence of this sort was the offence I feel as a Jew and not as a supporter of the Likud. If I had been affended as a Likud supporter, it would be anti-Israel, ie. Politics. However, the picture is more targetting my ethnic-grouping, so I am offended as a Jew.

If you want to continue this debate, I would enjoy to see your reaction to an equally biased pro-Israel cartoon with the USSR in the US's place and the West Europeans in the Arabs place, with the rolls of Palestinians and Israelis switched around. The hypocracy in this illustrates my point, as it goes either way. Evolver of Borg 18:45 Apr 4 (UTC)

[edit] 15th Edition

A belated thanks for fixing up Phla-Pherá languages to note that Ethnologue has corrected its error! Could you maybe look up Nobiin for me, to see if there's anything changed? (A more recent speaker count would be nice, for example.) Come to think of it, what about Okiek language? Regards, — mark ✎ 13:25, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Image:WikiThanks.png — mark ✎ 20:04, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Binational solution

Do you think it is accurate/NPOV to describe the Zionist "Transfer" solution simply as a forced deportation while describing the Islamist solution as "deporting the entire Jewish population possibly on threat of death" ? It seems unbalanced to me, but I want to make sure it's not a knee-jerk reaction. Thanks. --AladdinSE 22:43, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bhili language

Hi, just wanted to let you know that Bhili language is up at VfD, but since it was added I've rewritten it so that it's in English and is actually about the Bhili language. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about it, but I added what I could. --Angr/(comhrá) 06:04, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New article: Women for Israel's Tomorrow

Please consider reading this new article I just created. --AladdinSE 11:57, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What's in a name?

This isn't an urgent message! I was just wondering about your name: you say on your user page that you were forced to use it because Mustafa had already been taken. So, in Arabic, is this name spelt with an undotted final yaa', and should (although it doesn't matter in writing) I stress the final syllable rather than the first, or should I keep on thinking of you as Mústafa even though I'm reading something different? Just musing! --Gareth Hughes 12:21, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Buraq

One editor, Mel Etitis, has added a quote from the novelist Leon Uris to the buraq article. I've removed it twice, pointing out that a novelist (a Jewish novelist at that) is not a good source for Islamic folklore, and he's put it right back. I found a picture of a public-domain Persian miniature with a buraq, added that, and he still insists on his quote.

I can't figure out why he's insisting on this. You're a level-headed sort -- could you go on over there and see what you think? I think the article would be better without the quote, but if you think it's OK, I'll shut up. Zora 11:49, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Phonetics project

I'm trying to get some activity in the Phonetics project going. I've organized the project page and added some links and templates. Anyone who feels they're interested in phonetics, come and have a look. The more the merrier. Peter Isotalo 15:10, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] سوريا or سورية

Hello Mustafaa, I was reffered to you by Garzo about the word Syria in Arabic. The word Syria in Arabic is either written as سوريا or سورية. To my understanding, سوريا is the word that means the country of Syria, and سورية is the word that sort of means a female citizen of Syria (compared with سوري Souri, which refers to a male Syrian citizen). So which word is more correct to refer to the country of Syria instead of referring to its citizens, سوريا or سورية?--Gramaic 05:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Both سوريا and سورية are widely used to refer to the country, but سوريا predominates, and is unambiguous. - Mustafaa 01:12, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nobiin and Old Nubian

While I'm working on a paper on Nobiin tonology, Nobiin language is coming nicely into shape. Did you notice the many similarities with Old Nubian? I find them striking. Ah, I have to add a little paragraph on tone to Old Nubian — Browne (2002) says that it was most probably a tonal language just like Nobiin. It has taken almost eighty years to say this after Meinhof declared Old Nubian to be non-tonal (Meinhof based his statement on the fact that tone was not marked in the Old Nubian script). Interesting stuff! — mark ✎ 19:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pat Robertson

Hello Mustafa, I would like to see the lies about Pat Robertson removed from the article. While I don't share your faith, yours is a great one which values truth as well. Please consider carefully before restoring lies to the article. God Bless. Wendydrag 04:03, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Islamist

He blanked an article (Islamofascism) and made it a redirect, with no consultation with the other editors involved. He then created a page for Judeofascism which was little more than the Islamofascism article with the names changes, again without consultation with the other editors, who had decided that it should be a redirect.

I'm inclined to agree with him that there should be balance (either one or neither should be redirects), but the way to do it is to discuss such large-scale changes and, if necessary, appeal to RfC or something of the sort, not to unilaterally make the changes. (I've since had an e-mail from him accusing me of hypocrisy, and of acting the way I did because I'm obviously a Jew. He needs to calm down.) Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:25, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

He (I'm guessing it's a he) has also put in an appearance at Women in Islam. Nasty slurs against other editors; see the talk page. Zora 09:25, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Mustafaa, I wonder if you can have a word with him; so far he seems to think highly of you. If he continues the way he is, he's going to get into serious trouble. He seems to be in a state of almost constant rage, with no self-control (except that he seems to have pulled up after three reverts on the articles he's warring over). A quiet word from you might do the trick. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:47, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ibn Khaldun

1-See the talk page of Talk:ibn Khaldun, and give answers; please, 2- don't delite my contributions, wikipedia is of all the world. Akzennay 11:20, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Antaios

You had dined that there is a tomb of Antaios in Tangier. You can read this source, to believe me: [7] + [8]. If you morce sources in Arabic and frensh, then ask it please !.Akzennay 11:20, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I seriously wish you spoke English. What I said was:

"what evidence is there for the claim that this non-existent mythological person was Berber, other than the fact that a legend connects him with Tingis, and another legend connects Tingis with the city of that name, modern Tangier?"

You have, once again, conspicuously failed to provide any answer. - Mustafaa 04:52, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I thought you had a higher niveau of knowledge, Antaios is known as "Libyan gaiant", and the word "Libyan" refers to the Berbers "The Greek called them Libyans"[9], ""(...)The ancient Libyans extended from Morocco across North Africa to the Nile Delta.(...) The Libyans were also the ancestors of the modern Berbers."[10].Akzennay 10:30, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Here you are

Algerian massacres of 1997 and 1998

I leave it to you to give it a proper place. — mark ✎ 13:09, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

P.S. You need to archive your Talk page :)

Thank you! This is great. - Mustafaa 05:53, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reference you might like or pass on

Hi, I came across this site that explains the Quran that you might lilke if you read Arabic, if not pass it on to someone who does, it's not Tafsir, it's it's scholoarly very close to the format we use here. http://www.islamiyyat.com/khawater.htm#????_??_?????_ --The Brain 14:07, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. It looks interesting. - Mustafaa 07:08, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Suleyman Ahmad

Mustaffa: AlladinSE referred me to you (he's out of town. I need help on the Stephen_Schwartz_(disambiguation) page. Stepehn Schwartz (historian) needs to be linked to his lesser known name as Suleyman Ahmad. Stephen Schwartz (author) should be Stephen Schwartz (composer). If you can help let me know. Thx --nobs

[edit] A heads-up

I have been involved in intense discussions with Vereshk and AladdinSE on the Ali ibn Abi Talib, Succession to Muhammad, and Shi'a Islam pages. Vereshk is making angry reverts and screaming vandalism and censorship -- any disagreement with him is disrespect to the Shi'a, because he is the great-grandson of a grand ayatollah. Well, I suppose my POV is clear <g>.

So far I've been been able to keep my temper (yay me!) and perhaps I've succeeded in defusing the revert war. Dunno. If you have time to look at the situation and soothe Vereshk, please do so. If I've done anything wrong, feel free to scold me -- that might convince Vereshk that the Wikipedia powers-that-be are not out to censor Shi'a. It would be nice to keep him as an editor because we need a Shi'a to keep Sunni bias from creeping into all the Islamic articles. Vereshk writes English well and he seems to be quite knowledgeable -- it's just that he's not at all used to open discussion, or to Wikipedia processes. Zora 06:48, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mende

Dear Mustafaa, may I ask you to review Mende tribe (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) and Mende language (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). I am arguing against the misinformed and unsubstantiated statements added there by User:Roylee. Roylee answered to my question on his talk and on Talk:Mende language by simply reverting back to his previous version. I don't want to turn this into an overheated argument so I'm stepping back from it for today, after having carefully explained my position and actions. If you have the time, could you take a look at the situation and maybe try to explain policies like Cite sources, Verifiability, Reliable sources, Weasel words, etc. to Roylee? Besides you, I have also asked User:Garzo and User:BanyanTree to tune in, hoping to bring reason to this articles. Thanks! — mark ✎ 15:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mustafaa, Mark and I have begun to see a pattern of insertion of fringe theories into articles ranging from Moroccan towns to origins of chess by this user going back to December, which are then used as "proof" for futher edits. It's a bit unsettling. Roylee has blanked challenges by both Mark and I on his talk page. I have put it up at Wikipedia:RC patrol to get more people looking at it. - BanyanTree 01:43, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Right to exist

You might be interested in the VFD on Right to exist. LevelCheck 19:18, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Admin voting in ar.wikipedia

There is a voting in ar:ويكيبيديا:Administrators, think you might want to drop a vote ,since ur an admin there too!--Mayz 22:40, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kayla/Kaïliña article/s

I move we merge both to Kaïliña, and copy/paste the Talk from Kayla to Talk:Kaïliña. Notifying you since you've participated on the Talk page at either or both of the articles. Tomer TALK 03:41, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for undoing the page move vandalism. This is about the sixth time this vandal hits my user page. — The Communist 01:02, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] War on Terror

Hi Mustafaa,

I think we've got a POV Warrior User:War on Terror on Islamic-related articles. Perhaps you may want to keep a watch on his edits.

- Mailer Diablo 02:37, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • It's alright now, looks like another admin has blocked him already. - Mailer Diablo 02:39, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Revert war at Ahvaz

Mustafaa, there's a problem at the article on Ahvaz, a district in the ah, Mesopotamian part of Iran. At the end of the article, there's a link to an Ahwazi Friendship Society, based in Britain, which is an association of Ahwazi exiles who believe that Ahwazi Arabs are being exploited and discriminated against by the Iranian regime. Zereshk discovered this link and blanked it, claiming that the society was a bunch of Saudi-funded rebels. The link has been restored twice, once by me, and Zereshk has been asked to stop censoring the article, but he persists.

I was going to leave him a note warned him that the article might have to be frozen, but since I only noticed the problem because I'm watching his talk page, he might interpret this as stalking. Plus I want to be absolutely sure that I'm not letting myself be prejudiced by other interactions with him. If you would take a look and see what you think, it would be appreciated. Zora 03:16, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It looks like they've reached a consensus... I'll check again later. - Mustafaa 03:44, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

...to the disappointment of Zora.--Zereshk 07:29, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


[edit] List of languages by total speakers

Some people keep insisting on taking Arabic out because it is a group of "related languages", even though the Arabic language article clearly shows that it isn't. I can only revert so many times, what do you think of all this?Yuber 13:34, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jizyah

Howdy,

I was wondering if you could insert the arabic spelling and eymtomolgy of Jizyah into it's article. Klonimus 04:44, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hiya Musy

We haven't spoken in a while—do you not us IM anymore? Anyway, I recently started a new lists of cardinal numbers by language article, but among the varieties of Arabic, I only have Standard, Moroccan and Maltese. A lot of languages are still missing. I ambitiously listed each list in their native writing systems first, followed by transliterations in other writing systems of interest, but this is proving daunting when it comes to Cyrillic, Devanagari, Arabic abjad, etc. Is there anything you might be able to add?

Also, I observed something in both Hebrew and Arabic and I wonder if you've noticed it too. If I understand it, Arabic alif (without hamza) has no articulation at the beginning of words, except that it elongates a preceding /a/, right? So, as I understand it, the definate article ال starts with a pure vowel /a/, that vanishes after a word that ends with a vowel so that it can also be /-il/ or /-ul/, right? I've learned that Hebrew definate article הַּ changes in a similar manner when prefixed by an inseparable preposition; however, interestingly, the vowel and gemination are preserved. Examples:

  • בְּ + הַּ = בַּּ
  • כְּ + הַּ = כַּּ
  • לְּ + הַּ = לַּּ

I know you previously stated that you believed that the Arabic and Hebrew definate articles were mutually unrelated, as they seem unrelated from the Aramaic definate article suffix. But when I observed this similarity between the behaviors of the Hebrew and Arabic definate articles, I've been wondering again if they are mutually related in any way. Is it possible that Proto-Semitic had more than one way of attaching a definate article, or attached them differently under different circumstances? - Gilgamesh 11:07, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

Your name has been mentioned (as a third party) at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Johan Magnus, Ruhrjung, Tuomas. Please feel free to make comments about the dispute. Peter Isotalo 20:30, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

There are some objections to the RfC as it stands right now at the talk page. There's talk of it not fulfilling the two-person threshold. Do you think you could have another look at it to see if you might be willing to sign it?
Peter Isotalo 22:27, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Middle East peace according to religion

Hello Mustafaa, please review the article Middle East peace according to religion. Thank you. IZAK 03:41, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy theory vote

Please consider voting at:

Wikipedia:Conspiracy_theory

to rename articles that use the pejorative term "Conspiracy theory" to denigrate the content of the article.

Do the titles of WP articles generally pass partisan judgment on the subject under discussion? Should they? BrandonYusufToropov 02:26, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jesus

Care to check out the brewing revert war on Jesus concerning BC/AD -- and the stubborn comments by Arcturus and Rangerdude on Talk:Jesus? I think your input would be valuable. Slrubenstein | Talk 20:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Etymology of this surname

سقيرق Any ideas? I don't think it's Arabic... Yuber(talk) 01:26, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Damn, I mispelled it. The F is supposed to be a Qaf, so سقيرق

I don't know if that'll make it easier to guess...Yuber(talk) 22:24, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

The context, or reason I asked you, is because it is my surname that was passed on to me by my grandfather who came from Haifa. I had always thought that it wasn't Arabic or Muslim in origin, as it certainly didn't sound like it. I thought that maybe you as a linguist could identify its possible linguistic origins. Maybe I'll never know :(...Yuber(talk) 00:31, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I need help

Assalmu alaykom Hello I found your name among the names of administrators. i don't know why I intend to share the problem but I feel you can give a a hand to me. A few days ago I joined wikipedia and started to make some scientific pages about the field I am expert it, which is loop quantum gravity. I made a few pages but after a few days I saw that some people have placed a VfD above it to vote about one of my articles. I was fine at all. there where some positive votes and some negative one. But after a while I realized that three users/admisn started to delet some positive votes, attacked to the point of others by calling them ignorant. I did not know what to do so I found vandalism in progress page and complained there. At that they they threated me to delet the page if I place another report about it in there and placed a vandal protection above the article and VfD, it which was directing people to the discussion page of the article and the sentence was something like this: the content of the pages is protected until the discussion in here (the link to the discussion page of the page -and not to the vote page) is in progree. people were discussion in there about the article but after 8 hours, the article by one of their friends was deleted. I complained in adalism and they again deleted the complain and finally blocked me for 1 day. i don't know what was wrong me. I do not have enough encouragement to write another article for wikipedia. Please read the discussion in here [11] and the vote page and tell me how can i overcome the networking?

Many thanks [User:hamidifar] from Iran

[edit] Talk:Guttural R

This entire subject for encyclopedia purposes has come under dispute. As you wrote some of it too, could you lend a hand? It seems someone has the misconception that alveolar R and guttural consonants are interchangeable in "most languages", and I also get a slight impression of disdain from someone who seems to find this subject either meaningless, culturally offensive, or both. The same person also keeps removing Category:Guttural R from Scanian (linguistics). - Gilgamesh 14:07, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jews in Algeria

He'll probably take you more seriously if you log in. Would you like some assistance there? Jayjg (talk) 03:58, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Nicely illustrating the flaw in the common but incautious Wikipedia background assumption that anons are newbies. Actually, on one computer that I use, Firefox crashes if I try to log in. If you happen to be a very good programmer, I'd be quite happy to get some assistance there... - Mustafaa 18:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Well, some anon editors are clearly not newbies. I can't assist you with the Firefox problem, but if you want some support regarding the article name please let me know. Jayjg (talk) 18:31, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm not totally committed to one title or the other, but I rather think the old title fits better, and would be interested to hear your thoughts. - Mustafaa 18:43, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New project?

You might be interested in a possible new project of mine — see here. Currently thinking about ways to prepare the way for those articles. No doubt it's too ambitious (although some, like Languages of Western Sahara are quite easy — Hassanya Arabic is all what they seem to speak there), but I think of it as a nice challenge. — mark ✎ 20:59, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Great idea. No promises, but I'd certainly like to help... - Mustafaa 21:27, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I myself am not promising anything either... I made this list a month ago and have barely done more than some Kenyan language stubs in the meantime :). — mark ✎ 21:34, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and I've more or less finished Gbe languages in the past few weeks — at last, at last. The Phla-Pherá excursion and Angela Kluge's thesis gave me just enough new energy to push it to completion. Just nominated it over at FAC (not soliciting, of course :P ) — mark ✎ 21:40, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WP:VIP

Hello. User:ElKabong listed you as a vandal at WP:VIP. If I were you, I would contest the listing, since it is over a dispute on content, which is not considered vandalism at all. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 22:53, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arabs and anti-Semitism

Hey Mustafaa, I make no secret of the fact that I despise Islamist régimes for their loathesome anti-Jewish and anti-Christian policies and stances, but I do my best not to get involved in WP articles that deal with such issues (precisely because I feel so strongly about the issue that I fear I might mar the WP with excessivly slanted edits)...I believe, however, that your latest edit at Arabs and anti-Semitism left the opening of the article with poor/unclear wording. I have, therefore, removed a word, in an attempt to make it at least make sense. I'm not sure that my edit leaves the article factual, but it at least makes that opening sentence make sense. Please check the edit and make sure that it represents the facts as they are, and now, hopefully, in a way that makes sense in English. Tomer TALK 09:14, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, your removal of the second extraneous "tourist" leaves this factually correct as well as grammatically. The page in question had been describing tourist visa regulations. - Mustafaa 16:40, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of the word "Khirbat"

Yet another linguistic question for you: I have seen this word in the names of many Arab towns and I was wondering what it meant/what language it came from.Yuber(talk) 03:42, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] vfd

thanks - I agree, the graphic-analytical method article is vfd material, as is Image:IfutKl77.jpg (trypillians? as in Tripolie?) dab (ᛏ) 06:03, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

The Graphic-analytical method article was started by a Ukrainian named Valentyn Stetsyuk. He is not a linguist, but he maintains a website devoted to his language theories. This article, I assume, is an example of his own personal language theory, and since he is not a linguist (or even a Phd in any field AFAIK), and since from what I've seen of his work he does not apply any scientific method and very often makes gross errors, the article should be deleted a.s.a.p.---it is crank and qualifies as original research emanating from a person who is not qualified. Decius 18:36, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

For now I've redirected his incoherent article to Mass lexical comparison, which is the idea he was trying to get at. Decius 18:40, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Muslim Jew

hmm... do you think the people claiming it a contradiction have read the article? might be rude to suggest otherwise, but i'm starting to wonder. Nateji77 05:22, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arab-Israeli conflict

After citing reputable Palestinian Christian sources including a professor at Bethlehem university, Guy Montag has removed my edits in a clear suppression of information. Perhaps you'd like to see if you can contribute something.Yuber(talk) 21:08, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New stub category?

Do you think a new stub category for African languages would be a good idea? For some time now I have been thinking of a relatively easy way to keep track of the work that needs to be done in this corner of Wikipedia. These days, Template:Lang-stub contains about 900 stubs, rendering it a rather unusable stub category; a sub-stub category (not to be confused with substub category) would seem to be a good idea to bring some order out of chaos.

But then, I'm wondering what would be the best one(s) to pick. Just afr-lang-stub? In that case, the geographic boundary is rather arbitrary, especially in the case of Afro-Asiatic. Maybe nc-lang-stub, aa-lang-stub, ns-lang-stub and ks-lang-stub would be better — except that the last one would never contain more than about fifty stubs. Interested in your thoughts. — mark ✎ 22:26, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Good idea. How about a double solution: separate sub-stub categories for the major language families (IE, AA, NC, NS, ST...) and keep the smaller ones (KS, isolates, ...) in the current category? - Mustafaa 17:24, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for starting. I went ahead and created nc-lang-stub, ie-lang-stub, ns-lang-stub; and I've been filling nc-lang-stub up to 100 stubs. If you create more, please list them at WP:WSS/ST, otherwise they run the risk to be deleted. — mark ✎ 23:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oops... see Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria#Split of lang-stub... — mark ✎ 13:02, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Instant messaging?

Hi Musy. ^_^ It's been a long time since we spoke on IM. (Do you even have it anymore?) I've been studying a lot more Semitic linguistics, and even read up on Ugaritic as you recommended. There's a lot more I'd like to talk to you about—it was always fun and fascinating to discuss such things. :3 - Gilgamesh 23:42, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Sure - I don't use IM much at all these days, but I'll try and use it today. - Mustafaa 17:27, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hawai

Thanks for the Hawai version of India.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 19:49, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New article on historiography of early Islam

An anon editor added a note re Wansbrough, Crone, and Cook to the History of Islam article. I moved it into a new article on the Historiography of early Islam. It's just an outline at the moment. This is a subject I'm still studying -- I'm far from an adept. Would appreciate your comments. Zora 06:06, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History of the Arabic alphabet

Hey, I have created these pages in hopes of encouraging someone with more skill than myself to garner some (all) of the information from the French series that we have skipped. They have, from what I can read and understand of it, a very nice article on the subject which is why I created the template most of which are not created... I just created that in hopes that maybe having a little stub with a tentative translation from French already would make a translator more apt to accept the challenge. See fr:Modèle:AlphabetArabe gren 22:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] You there?

hey man, are you editing away today? --Irishpunktom\talk 20:45, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Just wondering if you could help! Looking at your talk page I can see that you are.. amiable with Jayjg, wheras I have a Prejudice (In that I'm convinced he is Prejudiced). I was wondering if you could view the Banu Qurayza article - i see you wrote the Banu Islam article, which I think means you probably know more about the Arabian Tribes around the time of the Prophet than I do. Jayjg could be completely right, and I could be completely wrong So i'd like it if you could have a look! - If you get a chance! --Irishpunktom\talk 20:59, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
User:Mustafaa/Qurayza details

Mustafaa, I looked at the Banu Qurayza mess and I'd have to think about it for a while before leaping into the fray.

The problem, it seems to me, is that a perfectly ordinary, sordid tale of tribal warfare and petty intrigue (of the sort that has happened thousands of times over history) has been lifted from obscurity because it's part of early Muslim history. If you believe that Muhammad is the exemplar of the perfect man, and the practice of the early Muslims the pattern for all human conduct, then you have some 'splaining to do. If I were a Muslim, I'd probably be calling for a radical de-sanctification of Muhammad and the early Muslims ... hmmm, I need to think about this. Zora 01:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks man, brilliant job! --Irishpunktom\talk 22:37, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Islamist terrorism

Editor keeps changing it to "Islamic" despite talk page consensus.Yuber(talk) 02:00, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In the article Islam, Aldowi keeps adding sections about 9-11 and how Islam was responsible for it.Yuber(talk) 16:57, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mustafa, next time you get involved in a 3-revert violation rule case where you have been one of the people editing the article, please ask another Administrator to do the block. While to the best of my knowledge there is no rule requiring you to do this, when an Admin acts in this manner, this action appears to newcomers & other people who are learning their way around Wikipedia that Admins are abusing their powers. I'm certain that you had the best of intentions, but blocking other editors is a serious action & should only be done with the utmost attention to due process (so to speak) & effort to maintain objectivity. Thanks for understanding. -- llywrch 02:27, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I see your point. - Mustafaa 16:58, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Assistance: ADMINISTRATOR ABUSE: Administrator Mustafaa is a Wiki Terrorist

Asking for assistance regarding Administrator Mustafaa:

Regarding the page and edits to Islamic Terrorism, Administrator Mustafaa acts as the police to this page to ensure that his biased POV is inserted. He was called in by Yuber to revert my edit, which was balanced, an improvement, and entirely without a POV (as are all my edits). They worked to team up to ensure that only their biased POV is inserted. Mustafaa then blocked me, in the process breaking many Wiki policies. Basically Mustafaa ‘s reactionary vandalism and his act of blocking me was an act of Wiki terrorisim.

Administrator Mustafaa broke many of Wiki policies:

1. Abuse of Administratorship: Most important is that Mustafaa has an obvious POV and abuses his Administratorship to ensure that his POV is inserted into his favorite articles.

2. Edit Abuse: Mustafaa (and Yuber) made a reactionary rv revert of the entire article instead of simply making one simple correction, the only correction that they disagreed with.

3. Edit Abuse: Unlike what they stated, there has been no previous discussion of this issue. The only previous discussion concerned their own sensitivity to the term. The term “Islamic Terrorism” is the term used by the West and it is the term being described. I provided a source (and there would be tens of thousands of sources, because this is the proper term in the West. I accurately described the dispute that some Muslims have over a term used in the West.

4. Violating blocking Policy: Use of blocks to gain advantage in a content dispute, and self-blocking to enforce a Wikiholiday or departure are specifically prohibited. Likewise, users should not block those with whom they are currently engaged in conflict.

5. Violating blocking Policy: logged-in users with a substantial history of valid contributions, regardless of the reasoning for the block should not be blocked.

6. Violating blocking Policy: the 3RR policy is not to be used to deal with vandalism as mine was of Mustafaa and Yuber vandalism.

7. Violating blocking Policy: Mustafaa made no warnings, he just wanted to protect his POV.

I believe that I have made significant contributions to Wiki and I very greatly object to 2 people teaming up to block me out of the system so that they can insert their POV.

These people are doing a real disservice to Wiki, and I can think of no worse vandalism than they have done:

I think Administrators like Mustafaa are dangerous for Wiki, especially when they are so willing to violate Wiki policy to insert their POV.

So, I would appreciate any information and assistance you can provide to Noitall. Thank you.

--Noitall 03:50, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)


Referring to someone called Mustafaa as a "terrorist", while amusingly hyperbolic, seems rather Islamophobic. --Irishpunktom\talk 11:49, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
This is slander, and it is also spam. El_C 12:44, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Wrong on all accounts El_C. It would be libel were it not true. You have not addressed the many Administrator Abuses listed here and elsewhere. --Noitall 12:59, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] comment

Where there is debate, it should be noted. This is called compromise where disputes are strong. X says but Y says is totall legitimate. Wikipedia's weasel words are bad examples and should be reconsidered. X says Y says is both factual and informative IF it is not done as strawman. -- Anon, but fam with DY