User talk:MUSIKVEREIN

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As to the previous deletion, the relevant issue has been amicably cleared with editor THD3. MUSIKVEREIN, 10:45, 14 August, 2007

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[edit] John Ogdon and Rachmaninoff

Hi there, Musikverein. This link that I found by googling suggests he recorded most of Rachmaninoff's piano works, but not all of them. The Moments Musicals, Op.16, for example, are not listed, and neither are the 3rd or 4th Concertos. I'll make a correction and you can have a look and edit it as appropriate. -- JackofOz 04:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response, Jack, and also for resolving the matter. Great job on the edit, too.MUSIKVEREIN 15:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Stop ABUSE from MUSIKVEREIN, THD3 or whatever user.

1. Stop ABUSE from MUSIKVEREIN, THD3 concerning content quality. See my previous summaries for changes. Avoid non verified sources, they must be deleted, particularly any unreliable "copies of copies" and "references with references with references". What is more, this page must not be used for non verified claims from whatever community. There already were court charges and research on false copies of letters or false letters, dubious Web pages and so forth (Sviatoslav Richter had a clear and consequent stance concerning his life and privacy, and morally speaking it is more honest to refer to that).

2. Stop ABUSIVELY USING this page for any communities’ / community's claims: even the section "trivia" is discouraged and this page is not about hetero- or homosexuality, particularly not the body part of the page.

3. Any reference to Horowitz or whomever is absolutely of no interest and no use. Do not change subjects. We are not discussing him or pages concerning him. Hypothetically there might be abuse on those other pages, too.

4. Searching for I.P. addresses or user locations is a doubtful and generally speaking, a useless activity for well-intentioned users when it comes to well-intentioned users.

Steiner_Redlich (Steiner Redlich (talk) 09:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC))


[edit] Richter

I've done a little investigating. The IP address for 88.218.172.3 apparently indicates a user in Athens, Greece. That explains the poor use of English. I'm not sure how to request someone be blocked, but a warning from an administrator is required first. I can check into it but won't be back until later in the day.THD3 14:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Here we go again! Steiner_redlich and Francorussie are the same person, this was admitted on Francorussie's talk page. They should both be blocked, and we may have to consider a request to lock the page until this dispute simmers down. The user has an agenda, but he's trying to hang it on Salon.com not being a reliable source, which is bunk. If he wants more references, I have a copy of the collected letters of Igor Stravinsky which references Richter's sexuality.THD3 (talk) 22:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

That's right, THD3. I suspect this Steiner fellow is also behind user 82.124.131.159: same wording of complaints, same style. I can also contribute with a couple of sources on Richter's sexuality to buttress the point, should that be needed. Steiner Redlich has received warning messages from you, Emerson7 and myself, has even been blocked for 48 hours, but is still at his disruptive game. You have my full support for any action - blocking him, locking the page, etc. - you want to take in connection with this issue. Regards, MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 02:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I just added another reference regarding Richter. I don't imagine this will deter Steiner_redlich. He obviously feels very passionately about this issue. In the end, this will probably just boil down to blocking him and his sockpuppet.THD3 (talk) 12:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it is time to ask for some kind of lock for the Richter page. Let me know if my support would help. Paul (User:Lpgeffen) (talk) 01:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Steiner_redlich is out of control. He not only reverted the last edit, but added an irrelevent paragraph. I restored the article and added the exact quote from Stravinsky's correspondence. I have left a final warning on Steiner's talkpage. It's time to put this to an end. One more reversion by him, and I will request a permanent block and a temporary lock to the Richter page. Are you guys with me?THD3 (talk) 13:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you walk me through how to request a block on our friend?THD3 (talk) 12:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I've added the request to block him at this page: [[1]] If you could add your voice, we might get this problem resolved.THD3 (talk) 00:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Calton

Hi Musikverein. I've responded on my talk page. Cheers -- JackofOz 23:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Novais

The rules of other languages are not an argument. As far as the orthography of the Portuguese language is concerned, you should read the current Formulário Ortográfico da Língua Portuguesa. I also suggest the explanation that the biggest biographical work in Portuguese, Dicionário Histórico-Biográfico Brasileiro, gives in this matter. If you read Portuguese, please take a look here. Dantadd 19:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. Well, the statement "Para salvaguardar direitos individuais, quem o quiser manterá em sua assinatura a forma consuetudinária" implies that in the signature the names can be kept as they were originally, but not the transcription in an encyclopedia, there's clear difference between a primary source and a secondary or tertiary edition, that's exactly what does the prestigious Dicionário Histórico-Biográfico Brasileiro or the Galeria dos Brasileiros Ilustres. I understand that it seems "odd", but that's the rule in the Portuguese language, even if a lot of people ignores it. And the rules apply even to the names of people born after the last orthographic reform. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia should use the same criteria. In paleography or transcription of primary sources, the names can be kept in the original form, as Luís de Camões once was "Luiz de Camoens" or Dom Afonso Henriques was "Don Affõso Hẽrriques". Dantadd 15:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


Musikverein, thanks for your message. I've re-opened the debate at User talk:Dantadd. Cheers. -- JackofOz (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I've moved the page to "Guiomar Novaes" as agreed. -- JackofOz (talk) 15:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vienna Philharmonic

Hello--to answer your question, I'm not sure it does translate: "the Viennese Philharmonickers"?? The German idiom customarily refers to the musicians who make up the group, rather than the group itself (cf. "die Berliner Philharmoniker"). Thanks for not changing it--if nothing else, the article ("die") should stay, otherwise the phrase is incomplete. Cbrodersen (talk) 19:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pele

Thank you for yr return and corrections —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cybershore (talk • contribs) 01:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mahler picture

I replied on my talk page. Grover cleveland (talk) 07:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bruckner pictures

For his Ninth, it totally makes sense to use a picture from his final years. He was no spring chicken when he wrote his Study Symphony in F minor, but still it seems slightly incongruous to me to use a picture of him much older. And since Wikipedia already has pictures of him younger, I thought it made sense to use them. Anton Mravcek (talk) 20:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)