Talk:Mustum

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A fact from Mustum appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 23 March 2008.

[edit] Merge idea

(Copied in part from the DYK nom page) I don't think this article needs to be merged because this is a distinct liturgical item with special connotations to the Catholic church. It not just your average, run of the mill grape must. Merging it would be like merging sacramental wine into wine--they're the same but the added religious factor makes the former distinct enough to merit its own article. I'm looking for some better reliable sourcing but I plan on adding to the article the particular stages of "certification" and blessings that the mustum must go through before it is permitted in the Eucharist. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 16:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree with this - your "wine vs. sacramental wine" example makes it absolutely clear that mustum is, in fact, a separate subject to be discussed than must. For all the same reasons that wine and sacramental wine ought not to be merged, this article ought not to be merged with must, tempting as it is given the similarity of (even just) the names of the two items. Further, thank you for doing some deeper research into the liturgical function of mustum - I will look around myself. Alekjds ^talk 17:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I just added some material on the liturgical norms - one defines mustum as being, by necessity, unpasteurized. If must can be considered must after pasteurization, then that makes a good case for how the two might be separate - by virtue of the strict liturgical strictures imposed on mustum. It would appear that not just any "must" can be valid "mustum". Alekjds ^talk 17:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)