Talk:Music of Malaysia

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Article is obviously a stub.

TODO: Add a history section.

(8-June-2003) Definition might not be valid. Given the current status, changes are constantly made. Depending on the music scene's people mentality.

Agree, but we also need to have the most definitive definition, covering as much common aspects of the scene as possible. How do we go about writing this?

Want to add List of Malaysian underground bands? Grouped by genre or alphabetical list? I suggest genre, if so, what is the full list of genres availbable in the scene? So far this is what I've got (source: Malaise) Only major established genres, not new philosophical/experimental/fusion genres (in no particular order):

I think this should be moved to Music of Malaysia. There's no need to separate out specific aspects until that article gets full. Tuf-Kat

No one complained, so I did. Tuf-Kat

"Malaysian music is heavily influenced by neighboring Indonesian forms, as well as European and Chinese styles." - Where did this come from? Tuf-Kat, are you a Malaysian? Don't get me wrong, I'm just curious. - Zaim

I'm not Malaysian, but I know that Indonesian gamelan is occasionally played and fairly popular throughout southeast Asia. The existence of the "underground music scene" already described (rock, punk, etc) is European influence and I know the Chinese are Malaysia's largest foreign minority. As far as actually documenting the origin of Malaysia's music and exactly how it's been influenced by these forms, I have nothing on hand. I'm certainly no expert on any music, much less Malaysian -- I just needed an introduction of some sort. If you know that Vietnamese or Japanese music has been more influential, feel free to change it. Tuf-Kat
I see, I get what you mean. As for gamelan, it's very hard to say because there are other traditional music in Malaysia which might even have influences on Indonesian music, gamelan is not the only influence, but then again I might be wrong. And as for European influences, why European? Rock and punk can also be linked to American music. Lastly, the title 'Music of Malaysia' is quite huge and I don't really get it actually. Does it only touch on traditional and ethnic music like in Music of Indonesia? If so then "underground music" shouldn't be here. -Zaim
I'm sure the interplay between Malaysian and Indonesian, etc music is much more complex than a one or two sentence introduction can give. Introductions are, by necessity, an oversimplification. The article isn't meant to be complete now, or ever, but a user who knows nothing about anything would be aided by an intro which likens Malaysian music with related forms from other areas. My limited understanding of the subject linked modern Malaysian music primarily to Indonesian, European and Chinese forms.
I wouldn't have any problems changing European to European and American or Western, but I chose European because colonizers undoubtedly left their own influences.
The scope of music of Malaysia is huge, but my opinion is that it should contain info on music developed in, played in or listened to, in Malaysia. If we can find a poll which says that 84% of Malaysians consider The Ramones their favorite band, that should be included because it is relevant to the study of music in Malaysia. Similarly, indigenous musical forms should be studied, as should the influence of Malaysian music on Indonesian, Filipino and Tanzanian music (and vice versa), where this is documentable. Malaysian rock, punk and polka bands should be mentioned, along with when and how they appeared, and how they differ from rock, punk and polka bands elsewhere. Eventually, this will be too big for one article. When that happens, the talk page should be used to decide on how to split it up. Maybe underground music scene in Malaysia' wouldn't make much sense in the long run, and once everything is accounted for, this article makes the most sense as a basic overview with subarticles called Polka in Malaysia, Malaysian pop music and Malaysian gamelan orchestras. In any case, Malaysian music should all be kept together until that becomes unfeasible. (IMO -- remember, no one runs Wikipedia, so everything is always open to further discussion) Tuf-Kat
I dont think our music is influenced by indonesian or thai music, let alone "heavily influenced". If we are influenced by the Indons, why do Indon rock bands make it big in this country if we already have bands who are influenced by them and sing like them. I think by puting this statement, it will give a wrong image of malaysian music to the foreigners. The Indons and Thai might even be baffled when they read it. [Haniff]
I have reverted your removal of the first paragraph because most importantly, it replaced it with nothing and the article became worse as a result. If you would like to rewrite the lead, please do (it sucks now). I have removed the word "heavily" as perhaps an overstatement, and added a citation for the claim. Your argument about Indonesian rock bands popular in Malaysia doesn't make a lot of sense, and has nothing to do with what the article claimed. Even if the argument was relevant, it isn't true -- There are American rock bands who sound like British rock bands and are popular in Britain, for example. Tuf-Kat 05:30, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
Just one comment: Malay gamelan music is generally very different from Javanese or Balinese gamelan music, though related structurally, as the basic unit in all traditional gamelan music is the gongan (gong cycle). Michael 05:45, May 16 2006 (UTC)

I redirected the article on Malaysian punk rock to here. I'm not sure why the issue of divided this article up has come up twice (once documented above, and one just now) when other countries of comparable size have had no issues, but I'm still putting all info on Malaysian music in one article until it gets too big. Tuf-Kat 05:34, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Politics of Malaysia

Strange to find no mention of the repressive political regime here. It influences music. Heavy metal is illegal. see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1473198.stm Ogg 10:16, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Underground music

There is an overlapping of information: the underground music has two sections with similar info! Please clean it up. Also, I don't agree that "urban" is the right word for underground music as the word is associated with R&B and hip-hop.

  • The writing here is very POV. I tried to fix it up a bit, but it still needs a lot of work. Interlingua talk email 04:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wayang Pasir?

"Wayang Pasir (Persia)" - Shouldn't that be Wayang Parsi? It's not about sand, right. :-)

Michael 05:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

"...Sheila Majid a singer with a lovely mellow voice.." sounds like a POV to me--Cyhborg 10:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pop Yeh Yeh

Yé-yé is originally a French term, referring to 60s popular rock from France. I know Spain adopted the term from France, but I don't know about other countries. Can anyone verify if Yeh Yeh was borrowed from France, or coined separately in Malaysia as well? The wiki entry on French Yé-Yé used to incorrectly state that yé-yé came from the Beatles lyrics to 'She Loves You', as this entry also states. I can't say it's incorrect here, but it raises doubts. - Spikedcandy 14:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)