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[edit] German bands

I removed the following for unencyclopedicness. The list should be moved to the list of German bands if kept. Tuf-Kat 15:13, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

German Music is not only Folk and something like that. There is also modern music like Rock, Pop or Rap and Hip-Hop. Many songs that are popular in the U.K. and the U.S. are known in Germany, too. Most German bands sing in English, because it is harder to understand (so people don't notice the stupid lyrics :-) and some consider it easier to rhyme. But there are also many bands that sing in German or in both languages. Here are some successful and popular German bands:

[edit] Burgher-highlife

Looking through the history, it appears several people (or one dedicated person) feels that mention of Ghanaian-German music is inappropriate in this article. Would anyone like to justify that? Tuf-Kat 15:20, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Techno

I'm quite surprised that Kraftwerk does not show up in the list. They're supposed to be the "inventor" of Techno, at least they are the first popular band of this genre. I don't know much about them, but they are definitely german and sing in german. So, where are they? Why is there no subsection for electronic music? It was once thought of as the new german music style.

The reason for both your questions is that no one has written it. You can create a section for techno the same way you edited this talk page. Tuf-Kat 00:26, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)

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The Techno section is important for the music of Germany. I expanded it to go beyond Kraftwerk and Scooter to more-or-less the present-day. Sonja Strom 19:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Germany is not German music

The article "Music of Germany" starts with "Forms of German music ..." which sounds if there were no other German music but in Germany. I think it is the difference between "deutschsprachig" (in German) or "aus Deutschland" (from Germany) or "Deutschlands" (of Germany). I would say that German music covers all German speeking countries "DACH": Germany (D), Austria (A) and Switzerland (CH). More precise: Switzerland is not a German speeking country, but a country where German is spoken ... as well. ;-) --Roland2 10:49, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Well, we have a music of Switzerland and music of Austria. I think trying to put all kinds of German-speaking peoples' music in one article will result in a much too long article, which will need to be split into several... and international lines would be a logical place to do so. This article should certainly compare and contrast the music of Germany with the music of Germans in Austria, Switzerland, United States, Canada and anywhere else Germans may be. What specifically would you like to change? Tuf-Kat 22:05, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)
I think there is no need for a big change, it's all ok :-) However, would it be ok to start the article with e. g. "The musik of Germany includes forms such as ...". For me "Forms of German music" sounds a bit like "Forms of music in German language" although it means "Forms of music from Germany" in this context. I am no native speaker so don't care, if it is a bad idea ;-) --Roland2 00:53, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Oh, okay, I think I misinterpeted what you wanted. Starting the article The music of Germany includes forms such as would be fine. Tuf-Kat 05:31, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)
Sorry for the irritation. Even in German it would have been not so easy for me to expalin what I mean. ;-) Regards --Roland2 09:34, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC) Roland

[edit] The Beatles. Swing rebels

Is it worth it to mention the Hamburger rockabilly band The Beatles (with the Hamburger context)? Some would say that they are more famous than Jesus Christ.

And what about the Swing rebels?

I don't know what swing rebels are, but both should probably be mentioned. Tuf-Kat 01:27, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Delisted GA

There are no images. slambo 17:41, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New approach

I started a new approach. The old article was not representive at all. I hope, the new structure is more helpful for extension. But there is still much do. Please apologize my poor English. --Abe Lincoln 17:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree the former article was not good, but I don't think your changes helped. Nothing personal, but, AFAICT, you moved stuff around and made a more confusing layout, deleted the references and added some broken English here and there. What, exactly, are you trying to do? Tuf-Kat 18:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

It is very hard to make one article about the music of one country. I'm sorry if the suggested outline is complicated, but the German music is manifold. I am from Germany and I can assure you that the old article was not representive at all and therefore rubbish. The new outline represents the complex natural structure of German Pop Music. So stop complaining and improve it further. I will try to answer all questions and regard all hints and recommondations. --Abe Lincoln 19:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

You posted here, presumably asking for comments, so I gave comments. That's not complaining. And what's there now is just as much rubbish as what came before -- it's virtually all the same content anyway. Tuf-Kat 03:59, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

It took my whole Sunday only to restructure the third and last part. I added essential information that was missing (Udo Lindenberg, Herbert Grönemeyer). I know, there is still a lot to do. But once again: make suggestions, ask questions or improve it yourself. I can not see, how kvetching helps anyone. --Abe Lincoln 11:07, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

It seems somewhat weird to on the one hand see "Wir sind Helden" already listed, but no mention of Xavier Naidoo, despite the fact that he's been around longer. --OliverH 14:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opera

Hello, fellow wikipedians, I was hoping I could find somebody here to help out. Over on the German_opera page, there's something of a disaster going on. Having said that, a similar disaster seems to be taking place here. Anyway, I'm looking for an opera expert, or at least a person who knows more about German Opera than I do, to come over to the German Opera page and do some renovation. I came up with a to-do list that I put up there. I'd be more than happy to develop one for this article as well. Let me know. Xeinart 04:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carmina Burana

May I´m blind, but I have not found any sentence about Carmina Burana, but it is a must in this article.--84.175.197.52 23:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What about Jazz-musicians?

Volker Kriegel, oder Rock: Inga Rumpf Habibie 01:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Neue Deutsche Härte and Gothic

NDH ist genuinely German style of music, and bands like Oomph! or Rammstein, are really considered in this article, despite its popularity in mainstream as well as underground music of Germany.

Furthermore, the German Goth Scene is not mentioned within this article, although Germany can be regarded somehow the center of the international goth Scene.

This should be altered. --80.136.27.54 22:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Sectioning is inappropiate

It is inappropiate, to classify or group different styles of music according to the langauges of their songs, as most musicians and listeners don't draw a sharp distinction like this article suggest. There are simply no styles of music that can be classified by language, especially since many bands alter their language from time to time. This classification is as useful, as classifying music by the sex of the lead singer.

Therefore, I'd recommend the post-war section into "Post-war East German" and "Post-War West-German", and make the post-reunification era a section on its own. Maybe it is even pointless to make such a strong division between East and West German during the time of the wall.

I suggest to subsection the pieces of information according to styles of music.

--80.136.27.54 22:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, I think it is totally wrong that German language and Englisch language music developed independently in Germany. I will put a new structure to this article.

Post-War Pop Music

  • Music from East Germany
  • Music from West Germany and from Reunified Germany
    • Volksmusik und Schlager
    • Liedermacher
    • Neue Deutsche Welle
    • Commercial Pop
    • Soul
    • HipHop
    • Hamburger Schule
    • Recent Pop Music Developments
    • Punk
    • Rock
    • Metal
    • Goth and "Schwarze Szene"
    • Electro
    • Techno, Trance

I renewed the structure of this article --80.136.22.147 17:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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In general I agreed with this, and did move some of the structure around to reflect it more closely (although not exactly).

I also think two changes should be made to the box in the upper-right (which I can't figure out how to alter or I would just do so myself).

1) Under "Regional music" I would add "Ostrock," because it is a style of philosophically-oriented progressive rock only existing in the former GDR.

2) Under "Other Germanic areas" I would add "Switzerland".

--Sonja Strom 19:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non Germen Composers etc. (Geographie)

Hayden was from austia, W.A. Mozart was from Austria too (there ist a long discussin on the German WP). Vienna ist the Capitol of Austria. The Article describes music of germens speaking areas. Not Music from Germany. Sorry, my german is better then my english. -- 89.59.30.148 (talk) 17:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marlon Knauer

I just created the article titled Marlon Knauer. Clearly it should be listed under the "reunified Germany" section, but I'm not sure more specifically which subheading. Can someone who knows the genres better than I do attend to that? Thanks. Michael Hardy (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Punk Bands

Quote: "Even most Germans don't know that there are a lot of punk bands with their primary audience in Japan, which stay relatively unknown to German listeners." Sorry, what does this mean? Any Examples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.24.108.168 (talk) 12:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)