Talk:Music in Berlin

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Contents 1 Structure 2 To do list 3 Bibliography 4 Und? 5 Music in Berlin today

[edit] Structure

I realized there was no article about music in Berlin on Wikipedia. This article should cover composers, patrons, venues for music making, reception of music, music publishing, music theory, criticism, etc. I would propose to structure the article in terms of chronology, which would leave room for the discussion of the aforementioned aspects in each time slot. A possible breakup of the chronology could be:

1. Beginnings
2. Electorate of Brandenburg
3. Prussia
   1. Up to Frederick II
   2. Frederick II's reign: 1740-1786
   3. Frederick William II and Fredrick William III: 1786-1840
   4. 1840-1919
4. Weimar Republic
5. Nazi Germany
6. Post-War: 1945-1990 [departing from the strict timeline here to allow for a seperate discussion of West and East Berlin]
   1. West Berlin
   2. East Berlin
7. After reunification: 1990 - present

I suggest to add these subcategories to the article as we go along.

Matthias Röder 11:04, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To do list

• write, write, write...
• Can someone compile a list of composers/musicians who were active in Berlin?
• This article does no justice for Berlin music. Today Berlin is on the cutting edge of innovating music, especially all types of electronica. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.19.200.7 (talk) 09:14, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bibliography

I just added some important titles. We will have to think about splitting the bibliography into smaller subsections. Maybe even distinguish between English and German titles. Definately we will have to split up into time intervalls. But that can wait, for the moment we are not really making much headway in writing... Matthias Röder 13:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• Wow, this article's looking great already! :-) Madder 15:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. looks great MR! -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 03:33, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you! But somehow I don't find the time to work some more on it. I would apreciate any help! Cheers! Matthias Röder 18:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Und?

Yes, but did Berlin history end in 1786? What about Mendelssohn, Meyerbeer...? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 14:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Obviously not. Feel free to contribute to this article stub. Matthias Röder (talk) 03:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Music in Berlin today

Okay, so I added a bit about the classical music scene available in Berlin today (mostly copied from the Berlin article). What are the seven symphony orchestras? We have only four listed:

1. Berlin Philharmonic
2. Konzerthausorchester Berlin
3. Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra
4. Deutsches Symphonie-Orchester Berlin
5.  ? Orchester der Staatsoper Unter den Linden
6.  ? Orchester der Komischen Oper
7.  ? Orchester der Deutschen Oper

From de:Kategorie:Musik (Berlin) I found four professional choirs in Berlin, of which only one (the Berlin Singakademie) has an article in English. Are there more?

And, of course, we need to add info about jazz and popular music. —Angr 09:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Angr! Thanks for your contributions. The missing orchestras are:

1. Orchester der Staatsoper Unter den Linden
2. Orchester der Komischen Oper
3. Orchester der Deutschen Oper

In terms of choirs: the "Berliner Singakademie," which is a choir independent of the "Sing-Akademie zu Berlin" that was founded in East Berlin after Workd War II. Matthias Röder (talk) 04:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Right; I wasn't thinking of opera house orchestras as really "counting" as symphony orchestras since they don't usually play symphonies, they play operas! As for choirs, there's also the Rundfunkchor Berlin, with whom I recently sang the Verdi Requiem in a Mitsingkonzert. And they seem to have an orchestra of their own, too; or is that the Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra? It's all so confusing, and the fact that they all have such similar-sounding names doesn't help. —Angr 06:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Most of the opera orchestras in Berlin actually have their own subscription series where they play traditional instrumental repertories; insofar it makes sense to list them as symphony orchestras.

As for the orchestras that accompany the choirs I am not entirely sure, but I assume that the Radio Symphony Orchestra would be the obvious choice to accompany the Rundfunkchor, since they are both funded from the same institution.

By the way: maybe it would make sense to list the orchestras both with their English and German names? This might reduce some of the confusion. Matthias Röder (talk) 16:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)