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I've been working on a version of a new expanded MSU page over in my sandbox. --cpritchett42 23:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


Need to update "campus" section. The most recent president is not Alexander but Dunn



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[edit] Concern?

The article sounds like something an HR department put together as a vanity article. It should be more factual without so much fluff.

  • What article are you referring to as being filled with fluff? The article here for MSU is almost all facts. I don't see much fluff in there at all, so I'm not sure what your comment is directed it. Please provide more explanation.

[edit] Ideas

I think there should be something in the article about student events. Eamples: All Campus Sing, Step Show, Campus Light (the nation's longest running student produced musical), Mr. and Mrs. MSU.

There are also so many Campus Ministries (Wesley Foundation, Baptist Student Union etc.)

You can verify these events by contact student services.

That information isn't very encyclopedic. If there is something that's notable that sets MSU apart, it should be here. Otherwise, it belongs on MSU's site, not Wikipedia. cpritchett42 19:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Athletics

I debated taking the part out about the football team's arrest record, because it was so poorly placed. But I moved it to the bottom of the athletics section instead of at the very bottom of the article. cpritchett42 14:36, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, so maybe that didn't exactly shine the best light on the university, but if you ask just about anybody on campus or in this town, they'd agree with that statement. So I don't particularly care for the blantent censorship of taking it out, especially without any kind of justification or explanation. cpritchett42 15:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
The NBA player, Popeye Jones, also attended Murray State, should be considered as a notable alumni in my opinion. groomsy57 16:12, 29 March 2006

[edit] Expansion

This article could use a good deal more information. There is a lot more to the university than the campus itself and the Athletic department (although it's hard to tell looking at where all the money goes). cpritchett42 03:59, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Someone should go ahead and merge that MIFA article into this article I think. It would do fine as a subsection under Campus Life I believe.

[edit] The News

Go MSU Racers, woohoo

I'll get you...officer Overby!

Whoa, wait, The News got Pacemaker awards? What the heck was the awards board smoking? Rogue 9 01:14, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, while the paper may be very opinionated and often writes what many would consider "flame-bait", it could be a lot worse. cpritchett42 01:09, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Alumni

I just noticed a revision that got me thinking. Did Chris Thile earn a degree from Murray? If so, then the degree and year need to be noted, otherwise it does need to specify that he attended but did not graduate. The same applies to all other alumni who do not currently have degrees and dates listed.

[edit] Fairness in MSU Policies

I am considering adding a section to this page stating that MSU is the only public University in the Commonwealth that has not added the term "sexual orientation" to its non-discrimination policy. It should also be noted that despite large amounts of support from students (SGA), faculty (Faculty Senate), and staff members (Staff Congress), the MSU Administration and Board of Regents refuse to even hear discussion on this topic. I do not want to add this section yet without submitting it for discussion, to avoid posting useless details to the article, and to potentially avoid a NPOV violation. --Antcjone 07:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

You've done well to discuss it here first. *hat tip* I do think it could be a borderline POV scenario. If it's a topic that you can cite a significant number of quality sources for, it might warrant inclusion, but as an alumnus, I'd rather see the existing article improved and expanded along more typical lines, such as the material mentioned below. I hope other editors will weigh in as well, as I'm far from a policy expert. Acdixon 02:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Majors Unique to MSU

Another section worth adding would be one on the majors that MSU offers that are very rare, like OSH or Geographic Information Systems. Such majors are rare, and are almost unheard of at institutions of MSU's size. --Antcjone 20:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

So far, the majors (and minors) that I would think are worth noting as being rare include the following:
Occupational Safety and Health
Geographic Information Science (degree option)
Gerontology (minor)
Telecommunications Systems Management
Organizational Communications
Communication Disorders
Equine Science
Pre-Vet Program
These are the undergraduate majors and minors that I would identify as being either unique to Murray State or are a rarity amongst schools that are the size of MSU. If anyone has any other ideas for additions please post them here, as I will add this section soon. Also, any information about these majors/minors that makes them stand out as being even more unique would be greatly appreciated. --Antcjone 04:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I'll try to gather some info about TSM when I get time. I agree that one should be included. Acdixon 02:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
When ya get some info, leave it on my user talk page, and I will work on gathering some info on my own (especially for OSHA, considering that is my current major) and posting there as well, and we can come up with a good addition to this article that reflects upon MSU's uniqueness and options that it offers for people to succeed in new and upcoming fields. --Antcjone 05:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)



I have added this section as of 2 June 2007. Any additional information that anyone has on anything listed, or if you know of something else that needs to be listed, please discuss it here or on my user talk page. --Antcjone 21:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

  • I am going to be contacting the Department of Geosciences for information about starting an article for the Mid America Remote Sensing Center. It is certainly worthy of a stub article, and would expand upon what I have listed in the Additional Info section of the GIS degree option int he majors chart.--Antcjone 20:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Professor Hobo

I have gone back and edited the new Professor Hobo section for formatting and grammar. That section does need to be cited properly. I have tagged it as unsourced for now, until someone can add some sources to the section. --Antcjone 20:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I propose to move this information to its own article. If the cartoon won an award, it might be notable enough to stand on its own, but if not, que sera, sera. If it proves notable enough to survive, it might merit a mention in the publications section, but to address it in such detail in the MSU article strays from the article's main topic. Any objections to this course of action? Acdixon 21:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • There's some obvious POV in that section also that will need to be dealt with, and if we're going to mention Professor Hobo in the article, we're going to need to also add a section regarding the work of Darin Shock, who drew for The Murray State News from 1998-2001, because he gained far more attention and criticism. You also may remember that he earned nationwide attention when he was awarded first place in the Best Stand Alone Category in 2000 by the College Media Advisers judges.
    • Someone gave Shock an award for his stuff?!?! Unbelievable. Acdixon 12:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree that there are definitely some issues with the section. I only went back and fixed the huge issues such as the article text actually beginning with the subtitle and flowing into the text, as well as inappropriate word usage. Personally I do not feel it is worth mentioning in this section, and should be moved to its own article. --Antcjone 01:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I would also like to add that I did NOT add this section myself. I have MSU's page on my watchlist, and am concerned that this article be the best it can be. --Antcjone 02:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Ditto. Moving this information to its own article will let someone who cares work on fixing it, while the rest of us can try and improve the MSU article. Acdixon 12:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

There was a professer hobo page before but it was nominated for deletion two times and was finaly deleted yesterday. Before it was deleted I merged the two articles together. This section was copied from the original professer hobo page. That is also the source. Please do not make a seperate article, It will just be nominated for deletion.Yamaka122 16:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I honestly do not feel that this needs to be listed under the MSU article. According to its AfD entry, it has been tagged for over a year for lack of sources, and at the moment it is still tagged as needing sources. I would recommend that it be Deleted from this article until such a time as proper sources can be cited for it. --Antcjone 17:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)*I think this is something that is unique to the school and should not be deleted. If you do delete it from this page please do not make a new article, but either way it needs some work.Yamaka122 20:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
A new article cannot be made from this information, even if it is a stub article. With a 2nd request for deletion on the article's page, obviously somebody wants it gone. I think the major issue is its lack of references, which is primarily why I believe that it should be removed form this article as well. Yamaka122, if you would like to find some sources that are verifiable for that section, then please post them. I would not have any objection to this information remaining here with proper sources. --Antcjone 20:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I did not write the origanal article but I will look for sources. Yamaka122 23:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Sources or not, I maintain that going into such detail in this article is off-topic, and I will continue to contest it as such. If it can't survive AfD (twice) it has no business here. Acdixon 14:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Let's give this section until Friday for adequate sources to be located. Considering there are 3 tags on that section, it is starting to become an eyesore. If sources can be found, then it should be moved into its own article. According to its AfD page, that is the primary concern that everyone seems to have for it being deleted as its own article. If none can be found by Friday, then I believe that it should be removed from this article. Any other thoughts on this?--Antcjone 20:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
        • Sounds appropriate to me. Acdixon 20:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
          • Good plan thank you for ending this.Yamaka122 00:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
        • I think it should stay with this article. On the comics web page,it says tat this an ongoing publication in the colleges news paper. I cannot find information about the history of the comic, but found some interesting info and will continue searching. Yamaka122 22:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
        • If it does not stay here it has to be preserved somewhere.Yamaka122 22:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
          • This comic is NOT an ongoing publication at Murray State. As per what has been previously been agreed upon, I am removing the information from this article. When you do find verifiable sources for this information, please discuss them on the talk page, and, upon verification, the information will be restored to this article. --Antcjone 00:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
          • Allow me to suggest that you preserve the article on a user subpage like User:Yamaka122/Professor Hobo. Work on sourcing and improving it there, then you can move it back to the main article space. I still believe that the level of detail you intend to use requires that this be its own article. Acdixon 14:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)