Talk:Murder of Eve Carson

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 7 March 2008. The result of the discussion was no consensus.


[edit] Persondata metadata

I've removed this because WP:Persondata says this is for biographical articles. This article is actually supposed to be about the crime that resulted in her death, although I will admit that it doesn't look like it at the moment. Perhaps a cleanup of the article is in order...Fritzpoll (talk) 17:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

  • I'm aware of that and working on it, hence why the ordering of paragraphs has changed, etc. But I wasn't aware person data was only for biographies, and WP:Persondata isn't clear on that. Since this article is about the murder of a single person it strikes me as useful to have the information there, and date, place, and age of death (from birth date) are linked to the event. Therefore, I'm not in agreement that is should have been removed. Artichoke2020 (talk) 18:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
It's moving in the wrong direction, Artichoke. Technically, this article is also about alleged killer. While he appears to be far less notable then Eve, what's to say we shouldn't put in an info box for him over Carson? It might be useful, but it's more confusing, because this article is at least intended to be about an event and the nation's reaction to it, not Eve Carson herself. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
It's true that persondata isn't clear about is, but it says it is for use on biographical articles, and as Gwynand rightly points out, this article is as much about the murderer as the victim.Fritzpoll (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree that the appropriate data could be for the murderers too, so I agree now that it shouldn't be added. Incidently, per the comment on the edit history about external links, I've just been reformatting things so far and tidying links and references, not making a judgement on them yet. Removed links failing WP:EL, see talk may have been more appropriate and neutral as a summary. Artichoke2020 (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Nice clean-up work on shifting the focus back to the topic, Artichoke.  :) Fritzpoll (talk) 20:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Ditto from me. I have discussed this article endlessly, in regards to general wikipedia practice, but I struggled with figuring out its direction in terms of development. Arti - your recent help with this page has been quite good. The renaming of the sections was long overdue, I could have done that myself but was hesitant. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 20:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coordinates

The reason I don't think they belong is because I don't believe it is considered known exactly where Carson was murdered. This isn't reflected (yet?) in this article, I also didn't see it when perusing some articles in the last minute. The coordinates aren't explicit in what they are... if they are just where the body was found, then they shouldn't be there. While unlucky, it was possible she was killed elsewhere and her body dumped at that intersection. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 17:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

  • I'll search out references. Beyond the first few days, I don't recall there being any doubt, but maybe that didn't make the national media. There's a lot of information missing from the article that was covered by the local media. Artichoke2020 (talk) 19:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with that. I just didn't see it immediately anywhere in an article, although there are probably thousands of them. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)