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The last weeks and days have seen a large number of claim/counter claim. Munster are great/Munster are rubbish etc. While we all have opinions, Wikipedia is supposed to be an independent view. Your support in this is appreciated. If you do have opinions, this discussion page is the place for them and not the main article. Remember that repeated abuse of articles is regarded as vandalism.Nelson50 18:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Former "Players" 2 We were on our way 3 Tricolour? 4 Munster away jersey. 5 NPOV 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Munster rugby badge.png

[edit] Former "Players"

Brian Lima? YEs I know he was signed but he didn't play one game. Thus I can't warrant his inclusion as a former player.

What's the problem with the term out-half? It's by far the most common term used (in Ireland at any rate) for the number 10 position. The official Munsterrugby site even lists O'Gara as an out-half.... http://www.munsterrugby.ie/provincialplayerpage/17119.html

There is a standard set of names for positions as used by the IRB. It was created because different unions use different names for the same position e.g. fly half, outside half, stand-off, first five eights etc, this causes confusion especially amongst those new to the game. I had never heard of the term 'out half' until you used it. I think it's best to use the standard terms on what is an international project ot at least put the standard term in brackets 'out half (fly half)'. Have a look at Rugby union positions to see how confusing it can be. GordyB 12:09, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

http://www.irb.com/Playing/training/Understanding+Rugby.htm lists a number of names for the number 10 position but it's not clear if one is favoured (or more standard) than any other (unless there's another page/document from the IRB that sheds some light on it). Having said that "first five eight" and "fly half" seem to be mentioned more frequently than "out-half". Having the discussion associated with this page (and maybe copying it to the Rugby Positions Article) will provide some useful information for those (like me!) that get confused. Rhd_7

As far as I know there is no IRB document available on the internet that states what their prefered terms are. I can only show you what sources I used to produce that article. The article you linked to was obviously written by a New Zealander as the terms he uses first are Kiwi terms (usually similar to rugby league terminology) see Rugby League positions, the second set are the standard IRB terms. Wikipedia tries to use neutral terms where possible so for example the game known to Americans as 'football' is listed under 'American football' despite the fact that Americans do not use this term themselves where as Association football goes under 'football (soccer)'. In Ireland it is common to refer to Gaelic football as 'football' but that would mislead a non-Irishman. Most Brotons would probably guess that out half=outside half (still reasonably common term) but I'm not sure that southern hemisphere types would.GordyB 19:36, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

copied to Talk:Rugby union positions

[edit] We were on our way

This needs serious de-POVing. It's supposed to be an encyclopedia article, not a fan site! Gerry Lynch 01:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tricolour?

is it appropriate to use the tricolour opposite the players who are qualified for Ireland? The Ulster rugby article on Wikipedia uses a nice flag depicting a shamrock on a white background. (Is this the IRFU flag?). Perhaps it would be better to have a standard arrangement for all these closely related articles on Wikipedia, and I don't think it would necessarily be appropriate to use the tricolour for the Ulster players qualified to play for Ireland. The shamrock on the white background might also be a good way of identifying Irish-qualified players playing for English or French clubs, rather than the tricolour. (See, e.g., the Harlequins page on Wikipedia, which uses the tricolour).

Agreed. This page somehow got missed.GordyB 21:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

WRT Irish rugby, we should try to use the shamrock flag. There is no RoI team, so it's best to use a shamrock flag. The IRFU logo is too intricate, so the basic shamrock flag is a good compromise I think. As for Irish qualified players playing for other countries - I think we are complicating the matter. If a player chooses to play for, say England, then the English flag should be used exclusively. However if a player has played or qulaified for two countries, then both flags should be used. Redred514 16:37, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Personally i believe the Irish Tri-Colour Flag Should Be beside the munster players and all irish Players politics has no place in Sport if there are any Player who dont want the flag beside there name then dont have it beside there name

If you do that, then you can't use the tricolour to represnt the national team. A tiny bit bizarre to use one symbol for players but another for the team. We're not exactly going to contact individual players to find out whether they object to the tricolour or not.GordyB 19:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Munster away jersey.

Hi lads, the Munster away jersey as depicted on the website is actually a false one. Munster's away jersey of choice and the one listed with the ERC is a Navy Jersey with red trim. As wore on several occasions by Munster. Cheers Donn O Sullivan Limerick Post Newspaper, Munster Ireland.

• This grey and black jersey at the official Munster online store is listed as the team's current "alternate jersey", with the navy and red one being termed a training jersey. Was the jersey changed to the grey-and-black one recently? --Kwekubo 18:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• In the Celtic/Magners League when Munster play Llanelli Scarlets (also with red jerseys so change strip is required) both teams' away have worn navy as their away jersey. Therefore I think the training jersey is actually their away strip. I have never seen the other one used. An example picture would be this one [1] Alexj2002 15:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Last year, the change strip was certainly navy, however I am not sure that this is the case this year with the official website stating grey. Does anyone have a photo from this weekends (2006-11-05) match against the Scarlets. This would answer the question as the scarlets wore red. --Bob 16:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Def. Grey jerseys... as can be seen here. --Bob 18:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

This article uses far too many flowery expression and generally sings the praised of Munster a little too much (Gnevin 17:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC))

No real need to expand this , this article is npov (Gnevin 01:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC))

I can see a Leinster fan added his own little tid-bit into the section on the All-Blacks. I have marked this sentence for its neutrality because no Rugby match, especially one against New Zealand, is won by the out-half alone. The forwards were outstanding that day, matching the more professional Kiwis for power and aggression, almost unheard of in the European game back then. Also Tony Ward played most of his club rugby for Garryowen, one of Munster's premier clubs. Unless anyone can give me a reason not to, I'm going to edit most of that sentence out. I shall leave in the bit about Ward being from Leinster but the rest of it should be removed I feel.

Correct, I feel - go ahead Nelson50 19:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Munster rugby badge.png

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