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[edit] MathML

There have recently been some questions raised about browser support for MathML. I think that a table of MathML symbols somewhere in this article might be useful to people who are struggling with browser/font configuration problems. Are there any objections? DavidCBryant 17:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't support MathML (yet), neither as an output not as an input format. We already have Wikipedia:Mathematical symbols, whcih lists some of the symbols supported in HTML. —Ruud 17:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, there is some support for MathML, because it's built into browsers. So, for example, if you have the right fonts installed and a browser/OS that supports Unicode, you can probably read all these symbols:
≤ ≥ ϑ ℘ ℑ ℜ ℵ ∅ ⊆ ⊇
and if you don't have the right fonts installed, some of these at least are not going to display very well (probably as an empty box). I coded the line above as HTML entities, specifically, as ≤ ≥ ϑ ℘ ℑ ℜ ℵ ∅ ⊆ ⊇. And today I had a problem with a seasoned editor who started mucking up a bunch of articles simply because he didn't have all the right fonts on his system.
I understand the bit about "the information already exists", but that information has to be easily located, or else it's not very useful. I've got a query in at the "Help" page on the same subject, because I can't find a link from the main "help" button into the articles about Unicode and MathML. I don't want to hurt this article, but I think I can make a good case for the proposition that "math" is a language with its own set of symbols. In fact, it's probably the most widely recognized written language in the world. DavidCBryant 18:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Those character entries are plain HTML, not MathML. I don't believe a table of such symbols would make a useful addition to this article. A section on which font you need to have them displayed correctly would be. This help page is still very much under developement, so I suggest you add a section on this. I might do it at a later time. Cheers, —Ruud 15:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback, Ruud. I did finally find the Help:Special characters article, and there is in fact a (hard to locate) link to it from the main help page. I think making information available in more than one place, and coding cross links between logically related articles, will improve the chance that someone who's looking for a critical piece of information can actually find it. So what I'll probably end up doing is making this article point to "Special characters", and vice versa. And a little test table in here (so a user can see if his browser supports some Unicode math symbols) is probably a good idea, as well (along with a short blurb about fonts). Have a great day! DavidCBryant 16:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually Help:Formula is probably what you want Nil Einne 19:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
No, I don't thnk so. I've got Unicode2000 working under Linux now, but my Windows fontsets are still incomplete. The PNG stuff works just fine. DavidCBryant 23:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Mongol script

There are now some pages that contain classical Mongolian script. However, there seem to be certain issues with the rendering of the "γ" or "gh" (The classical script has two different 'g's. One that comes with e, ö, and ü, and is usually transliterated to 'g', and one that comes with a, o, u, and is usually transliterated to 'γ' or 'gh'). In "Mongγul", the "γ" should display two small dots on the right, but some browsers I checked did not seem to reflect this (Microsoft Vista, IE7 and Firefox), at least not for all fonts. For an example, see the classical script at the intro sentence at Mongolia, which on my browser it wrong. Mongolian Baiti font, OTOH, seems to work better, see the box at Mongolian language. Is this a problem with Unicode or with my computer? Yaan (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Seems to work fine now. Maybe it was really a problem with the computer I am working with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaan (talk • contribs) 00:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Multilingual support fail in Windows Vista IE7

My machine is running Windows Vista. When I browse with IE7, the default browser come with Vista, it can't render some languages even after I've installed a "recommended" font. I've found such failure in bug:, got: & my:. Any idea? --Quest for Truth (talk) 19:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)