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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 Flaw 1.2 Circassian ethnic cleansing 1.3 Title 1.4 Category dispute

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[edit] Flaw

There is a flaw with in this formulation: "in particular several minority languages obtained official status." Officially there are three minorities in Turkey. One can say that there are others, but that remains the internationally recognized official context. The official context is still more relevant here since the phrase refers to it. We can mention TV broadcasts, education and cultural developments, but this is not what official status is about, this is acknowledgement of their existence. Cretanforever 18:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Circassian ethnic cleansing

Hey, I did an article about it. Everyone's welcome to add something to or correct the article, incorporate it into existing ones, and also to protect it from overzealous Russian nationalistic editor(s). Thanks! --HanzoHattori 23:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

Can anyone point out to reliable scholarly sources using the title muhajir to describe the emigration of Muslims from the Caucasus to the Ottoman Empire? In Arabic muhajir means "emigrant", i.e. a person, so this term cannot be applied to an event. Beit Or 10:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Where in the article do you see the term "muhajir" applied to an event? Mukadderat 02:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The article is about an event (emigration), and yet it's titled "Muhajir" (person). Also, notice the inconsistency: the title is "Muhajir (Caucasus)", but the article starts with the word "muhajirism". Beit Or 18:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I followed the suit in the disambiguation page Muhajir. I created the page after noticing the link to the word Mujahir in Caucasian context points to dismbiguation page. If you think that the title is not good, please suggest a better one. Mukadderat 04:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

In Russian historiography the term is being used as "muhajiristvo". so it is reasonable to argue that the term is widely used for circassian/caucassian exiles.

[edit] Category dispute

user:Ghirlandajo finds the category:Ethnic cleansing inflammatory. I find it rather more exact. I think category:Forced migration is vague. "Ethnic cleansing" narrows down this subcategory: forced migration (and other means) with the specific purpose: eliminate a certain ethnicity in the area. If colleague Ghirtlandajo can demonstrate that this was not the goal of Russian Empire, I will gladly agree for the removal of the cathegory. Meanwhile I would kindly ask the colleague to avoid inflammatory edit summaries. I am still waiting for an apology for the edit summary: 10:12, 5 December 2006 Ghirlandajo (Talk | contribs) m (rmv trolling) Mukadderat 05:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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I think Circassian Ethnic Cleansing or Circassian Genocide would be more appropriate as a tittle for this article...

Not all Circassians were Muslim.

More Importantly:

Russians didn't commit this genocide because Circassians were Muslim! Basically The Russian leadership wanted to gain the Black sea Coast and Circassians were on the way, and they were a problem, so they had to be removed (in other words killed or exiled).