Talk:Muggle
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[edit] Dictonary definition?
Excellent first article, Neuro. Keep it up!
And, no, it's not too close to a dictionary definition. User:Ed Poor
[edit] Suit
When you mention that someone "was sued", please also mention the outcome of the suit. Was it dismissed as frivious by the judge? Settled out of court? Or what?
Anyone can sue. The question is whether their suit has merit in the eyes of the court (or jury). User:Ed Poor
[edit] Mudblood
I am reliably informed by someone who has actually read the books that the term "mudblood" can be applied to one whose parents are both muggles (e.g. Hermione Granger), and not just one who is of "mixed" parentage. Can someone who has read the books confirm this and correct the article? Thanks. -- Oliver Pereira 15:41 Nov 15, 2002 (UTC)
I've only ever seen Muggle-borns having been insaulted with that term. Keyblade Mage 05:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC) Keyblade Mage
[edit] Muggle predates Harry Potter
Muggle added to OED in 1993? Potter books printed starting 1997? Something seems wrong. Everyking 06:47, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The term existed long before the Harry Potter books, but it's use in the books is likely the main reason why it's increased in use lately. This should be noted in the article, but I don't know it's true origin. OED doesn't either, just that it was introduced to English in 1205. Sun-Herald article on "muggle" lawsuit As the about link shows, it seems no one can claim rights to the term "muggle". Jobarts-Talk 05:10, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
- Muggle was also used to mean Marijuana in the american south in the early part of the 20th century. I'm tempted to add that fact to this page, but I suspect large numbers of kids go to this page, and I don't know how appropriate it is to talk about illegal narcotics on a page with a large number of kid-traffic. No one can say if Rawlings was aware that "her" word predated her, and was used by people such as Louis Armstrong. Mainstreetmark 16:08, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- From the external link:
- Besides dismissing her claims against Rowling, Schwartz was ordered to pay a $50,000 fine.
- A tough justice system you've got there, when the judge is ordered to pay a fine to the defendant. And isn't Allen a male name anyway? — JIP | Talk 10:19, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
- I think you should put the Marajuana bit in. Wikipedia is not censored. Leemorrison 21:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Klingon?
I don't seem to remember Harry Potter ever having been translated to Klingon. What's the entry for Klingon doing in the article then? — JIP | Talk 10:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
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It seems there has been severe vandilization of this article. I'll revert it. Lord of Light 13:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bewitched
I saw an episode of the American tv show "Bewitched" and Samantha's mother Endora refers to some one as a "muggle". This was way before Harry Potter.
- Please, if you remember, include a description of the episode so that someone with the DVDs can find the reference and add it to this article. Val42 04:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Muggles and ghosts
In the article you say that muggles can't see ghosts. All the students at Hogwarts can see the ghosts. Hermione talks to them. Muggles can't see Dementors.20.132.64.140 01:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
None of the students at Hogwarts are muggles, and several other students also talk to the ghosts. Am I missing something? Faithlessthewonderboy 23:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Witches and wizards (hogwarts students, for one) can see both dementors and ghosts, but it is not known if any other member of the magical community (E.G., goblins, elvs, hags, vampires, even squibs, ect.) can see them. It is known that muggles cannot see dementors, but it has never been stated, or even implied whether or not muggles can see ghosts or not. Keyblade Mage 05:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC) Keyblade Mage
[edit] Untermensch
Somebody edited out the term "human" in this article and replaced it with "untermensch," a Nazi racial term referring to "sub-humans." I think it's clear that in her books, J.K. Rowling is trying to get her readers to understand and identify with victims of racism, since, by definition, anybody reading the book is a "muggle."
Nonetheless, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; it is not a forum for debate. See WP:NOT. Replacing the term "human" with "untermensch" turns a factually-based article into a commentary on the term "muggle" itself, which is not appropriate.--Mcattell 15:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Capitalization?
I don't have a Harry Potter book handy so I can't check myself. Should Muggle really be capitalized when it isn't the first word in a sentence? I see how it could be, but I also see how it could not, so can someone please check? We should probably do whatever Rowling does, in this and other HP-related articles. Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) 19:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
In the middle of a sentince, capitalize it. Reference: DH, ch. Twenty Eight: The Missing mirror, page number 564, line 6 through line 7, sentince spoken by Aberforth Dumbeldore: "When my sister was six years old, she was attacked, set upon, by three Muggle boys." Then he goes on his story, but there's a reference for you. Keyblade Mage 05:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
[edit] Personal opinion
Hmm. I thought it was from mug-magic, le-less = short for magicless (people). User:Bojan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.111.197.54 (talk) 12:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Disambiguation
I tend to disagree with the recent incorporation of material from the disambiguation into this page. I think the link to the disambiguation at the top was a preferable solution. I think details of the usage of the term outside of Harry Potter is tangential to this article, while I don't see why someone looking to find out what Louis Armstrong was talking about needs to read through several screens of Harry Potter material before finding out Armstrong wasn't talking about anything to do with Harry Potter at all. Other thoughts? -- Infrogmation 13:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
- My attention was directed to this issue by a comment made by Beardo on the Talk:Muggle (disambiguation) page. I agree that this is the type of thing that a disambiguation page is normally for. However, these prior and subsequent usages of "muggle" provides context to the usage in the Harry Potter novels. This shows that the term wasn't originated by J.K. Rowling, though I personally think that she developed it independently. Most of the subsequent usages are derived from the Harry Potter context. Splitting this context from the usage in Harry Potter serves to diminish the relevance of both parts. The disambiguation page then becomes redundant. That is why I changed Muggle (disambiguation) to a redirect. — Val42 20:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
- If this article is going to cover all meanings of "Muggle" and "Muggles" rather than being Harry Potter specific, it certainly needs to be rewritten, as it starts out making the statement that it is a Harry Potter related term. Also, there are a few paragraphs discussing the Harry Potter universe use-- IMO enough for a seperate article-- rather than just a sentence or two as would more usually be found in a disambiguation. -- Infrogmation 21:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
- You've made your case. I've made my case. Let's see what others think. — Val42 03:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
- If this article is going to cover all meanings of "Muggle" and "Muggles" rather than being Harry Potter specific, it certainly needs to be rewritten, as it starts out making the statement that it is a Harry Potter related term. Also, there are a few paragraphs discussing the Harry Potter universe use-- IMO enough for a seperate article-- rather than just a sentence or two as would more usually be found in a disambiguation. -- Infrogmation 21:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
