Talk:Muddy Waters

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[edit] Problems

This paragraph is misleading:

Indeed, the birth of rock and roll can be simplified as an amalgamation of the music of Muddy Waters and Hank Williams. Both artists were popular contemporaries being soaked up in the musical melting pot of the Memphis, Tennessee area by the likes of Sam Phillips, and the artists he was beginning to record, including a young Elvis Presley.

In 1953-1955, when Memphis's contribution to the development of rock and roll was taking place, Muddy Waters's fame was mainly confined to Black fans in Chicago and other northern cities. The country side of rock and roll's development in Memphis had a lot more to do with Carl Perkins than with Hank Williams.

The album Electric Mud was a failure.

[edit] Discography

Anyone willing to add a discography?

[edit] born in 1913

I have been told by someone who knows a lot about blues that Muddy Waters was actually born in 1913, not 1915, and lied about his birthday often. Unless someone can tell me that this isn't true, I will make the change. Ezradf 18:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Here, this article from PBS's American Masters Series says 1913: Muddy Waters - American Masters


Okay, it's been a while and no one has objected, so I'm changing the date to his real birthday, 1913. Ezradf 02:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

His official website biography lists it as 1915, but doesn't provide any documentation for that date. Epicidiot 07:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Not to nitpick but now the article states 1913 in the summery at the top and 1915 in the childhood paragraph....


I found that this website: http://www.muddywaters.com/bio.html and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame website (http://www.rockhall.com/hof/inductee.asp?id=208) say that his birthdate was in 1915.

[edit] Influence

Any more about his influence? It's obvious his influence is almost undefinable, it seems we might be able to offer a better summary of the breadth of it. Anyone? -Wikitoddia 04:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This wiki article has become a running joke amongst blues enthusiasts

This biography used to be good, but it has been turned into a useless piece of shit by too many grubby hands with pitiful knowledge.

It reads like something a bunch of myopic, uneducated white people would write.

I mean...ignoring the entire resurgence in the 70s, helped by Edgar Winter?

That was a strong part of the article and whoever deleted it should be banned from Wiki.

jgeiger54 01:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The birth date is the least of this articles's problems

Here is one of the greatest blue man ever and the article is completely uninformative. It does not seem to understand his greatness. I don't understand why not. --Mattisse 01:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Muddy Waters.jpg

Image:Muddy Waters.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Birthdate

The infobox and the lede say 1915. The second paragraph says, "Waters was born ... in 1913 (He later told people that he was born in 1915..." Let's fix this discrepancy. Biruitorul 22:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Muddy1.gif

If anyone changes this infobox image, or adds any extra, please make sure you put a fair-use rationale otherwise it will be rapidly deleted, and this guy deffo deserves an image on his page Sue Wallace 16:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flag

I see the flag icon I removed has been replaced. If anyone can provide an encyclopedic reason for keeping it here, I am fine for it to stay. Otherwise I think it should be removed. --John 14:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I re-established the the whole infobox after it was vandalised (see history). Since we are still reviewing the policy wouldn't it be best if we hold fire on the flag issue for now? Also it's in origin not in the disputed births/deaths. Sue Wallace 15:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Well done for repairing the vandalism. As there is no current policy, I would fall back on the question: "What does it add to the article, specifically what does the flag and the link to United States add to having just the link?" If there is a good answer to that, we keep it. If there is not it seems to me we could do without. --John 17:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
In the absence of any reason being expressed here to keep it, I have removed it. --John 18:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)