Talk:Mrs Dalloway

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[edit] Joyce

I have just read Woolf's 1925 essay 'Modern Fiction', where she praises Ulysses as a representation of 'life' far better than that commonly depicted in realist novels. The comment in the introduction suggesting that she did not rate Ulysses would at least need a reference, I think. 86.143.138.203 (talk) 18:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:LGBT literature?

Can someone please explain the sense in which this belongs in Category:LGBT literature. Yes, the author was a lesbian gay (or bi, depending on one's construction of these words), but that clearly doesn't suffice to put the work in that category any more than a random Patricia Highsmith novel. I don't know the work, I know it only from the film The Hours, but I don't remember any explicitly gay themes. At a quick look, the other works in the category have explicitly gay themes (except The Importance of Being Earnest, about which I have the same issue, only with more confidence, since I know the play well.

Is this category well-defined? And if so what are the criteria for including this novel? -- Jmabel | Talk 21:01, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)

The main character is pretty much a closeted gay woman. 99.241.162.52 (talk) 07:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Themes

Clarissa's relationship with Sally, who like her has 'grown up' to be a matron, is the most explicit. It contrasts with the marital relationship which it is suggested is sexually cold and unemotional (she sleeps in a single bed in a room the critic Elaine Showalter has described as "tomblike").

However while Clarissa's sexual attraction to women is important perhaps it isn't enough to classify it as LGBT.

What then, would meet such requirements? Perhaps a taxonomy to determine such qualification? Keep in mind, contemporary literary analysis of both Virginia Woolf and her works might prove in disagreement with the idea of such disclusion. -Vinegartom 13:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The kiss that Sally and Clarissa share is a central moment in the novel as well as in Clarissa's life. Woolf is subtle about her narration and the exact nature of Clarissa's sexual preferences are unclear, but her attraction to Sally is pivotal (compared to her marriage to Richard, with structured comfort but a single bed). That alone should qualify the novel as LGBT. Jostling grievances 16:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Shouldn't Mrs. Dalloway redirect to Mrs Dalloway (without the period), instead of the other way around? This is an English novel, written by an English author, and it was originally published without the period. I would change the redirect myself, but don't know how. 203.173.35.197 06:24, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Support. In case anyone's in doubt, here's the original cover, as published by Hogarth Press back in the 20s (I want one...). Convention seems to indicate that moving it is, in fact, the thing to do. Cantara 07:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Support: if information provided above is correct. Tutmosis 22:07, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 07:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and be bold, moving this back to "Mrs. Dalloway", with the period. Even though the original title may not have contained the period, the vast majority of references to the title, in both America and England, are with the period, and the commonly-accepted (and encyclopedic) method would be with the period. However, I'll add in a footnote noting the original spelling of the novel's title without the period. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 03:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Parable1991, would you mind clarifying why you reverted this move? I've gone ahead and moved it back, pending an explanation from you. (See my comment above for why I believe the article should be located at Mrs. Dalloway.) Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 01:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Somebody move this back please! English practice is to drop the period in titles Mr Mrs Dr etc. -- as evidenced by original title. (If you see it in an American or Canadian reference with the period, that's only because the editor of the book in question is following American style conventions for their own book; Wikipedia doesn't have such a style.)Thanks!--Ibis3 04:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I will clarify my move and as I have moved it back. Regardless of how it is published now, it is necessary to use the original title. This shows in Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Despite me being English, I prefer the full stop, although I cannot argue with what the author intended and neither can you. Besides, it is still also published without the full stop in the U.K..

[edit] Not stream of consciousness

A stream-of-consciousness narrative implies a single protagonist, and this doesnt apply to Mrs Dalloway.


Dictionary definitions concerning stream-of-consciousness narrative describe it merely as a literary technique with the thoughts of characters being espoused, as does the Wikipedia entry for stream of consciousness. The only reference found citing individual as a requirement is the psychology definition for stream-of-consciousness [1]. Therefore above statement is not applicable. -Vinegartom 12:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mrs vs. Mrs.?

I think the note about the period is interesting. If there are sources that can be used to expand on it, I think it's worth having a section devoted to it. Is there any particular reason for its initial lack of a period? -Midnightdreary 18:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Often but not always in British English, the full stop will be omitted from the abbreviation. Reginmund 20:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mrs Dalloway1.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] new changes (april 2008)

I made a whole load of changes to the page just now.

I was kind of shocked that the thing was only two sections long. Now there are a lot of sections, but they could all use expanding.

I haven't overhauled a page before, so it's probably worth someone scanning over and fixing things up.

--Brendan 99.241.162.52 (talk) 06:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)