Talk:Mr. Lady Records

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[edit] Compilation albums

If anyone has any information on the Mr. Lady compilation albums released in the early 2000s, please let me know. Proto::► 13:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You've probably seen this. Just a quick, first glance. Bubba HoTep 13:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, more specifically this. Bubba HoTep 13:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll have a look and see what we can add in. Proto::► 10:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
'Tis done. The other one to follow. Bubba hotep 20:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Queercore

Great work on this page. I've removed references to Queercore since, by all criteria established on that page, The Butchies and Mr. Lady Records aren't queercore but rather, as the Mr Lady Records page asserts, a "lesbian feminist" record label. As written about in the article about the word 'queer', the usage of the word isn't synonymous with 'gay/lesbian' but often, as is the case with queercore, at odds with the 'gay/lesbian' identity. Particularly in light of The Butchies/Mr. Lady stance on the Michigan Women's Music Festival, which helped alienate them further from the queercore community, I think the concensus would be that the label 'queercore' doesn't apply here. Intheshadows 11:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Do you have any links / references for Mr Lady's stance on the MWMF? That would be something worth adding to the article. Proto::► 11:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's a link: [1] . There are three pages of material, not all related to The Butchies. There was other material, although most of it was on message boards, which wouldn't really be appropriate for Wikipedia, would it? The names of the Mr. Lady compilation albums are "Women's Music Sampler" and "Calling All Kings and Queens", by the way. Hope this helps.Intheshadows 18:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

That does help, thanks. :) Proto::► 14:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, I have tried to put something in, but feel free to edit it if I've got any points wrong or mmissed anything. Proto::► 15:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Given http://www.outsmartmagazine.com/issue/i02-02/grooveout.php, I've added the 'queercore' category back in. Proto::► 11:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA review - passed

When I saw this article, I thought the name sounded familiar and eventually remembered reading an AfD about it. Amazing to think that the stub nominated for deletion on Jan 10 is now a pretty polished article. It reads well and seems to cover the topic thoroughly, making full use of the available sources. In my view the level of detail seems right to make the article interesting without risk of descending into trivia. Breakdown on the assessment criteria:

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is well written.
    a (prose): b (structure): c (MoS): d (jargon):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (inline citations): c (reliable): d (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): [[Image:|15px]] c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:


I have removed a bit of extra punctuation around the quotations- full stops are not needed inside and outside. I also fixed a typo on a date. However, these are very minor niggles (really just to prove I actually read the article :-) ). I'd have liked have read more about why the label ultimately went defunct but the sources seem to say little about this- I guess given the industry its not surprising.

I haven't given a pass on "no OR". This is because two artists listed as formerly on Mr. Lady neither have articles nor are sourced (The Haggard and Tami Hart). Similarly, the articles about The Sissies and Electrelane make no mention of Mr. Lady Records. I don't think that's serious enough to fail GA overall but given that the requirement is rather stringently "no elements of OR", I don't feel its quite been met.

All in all, I see this one as a clear pass. WjBscribe 04:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Awesome. I'll dig up references for The Haggard and Tami Hart. The failure of the articles on The Sissies and Electrelane to mention those artists' time on Mr Lady is a shortcoming of those articles, not of this one. Proto::► 15:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Blimey, well done, Proto! A large step from an AfD to a GA. Wiki-progress at its best. Bubba hötep 16:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
There, now all referenced. I even found a book reference! God bless Google Books. Proto ► 02:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review

I have expanded the article a little more. I have also submitted it for peer review, please feel free to contribute. Proto ► 18:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Wheh! I spent some time plunking around here (as you can probably tell by the edit history). Amazing that you guys have brought this from stub to GA -- amazing. I'm bowing down before you all. Michaelas10 has really constructive feedback here. In the article, I rearranged some things and added author(s) names; made a few copyedit corrects (I think mostly punctuation...). Anything ya'll don't like, feel free... Well, it's 2am and that means my English skills are shot--off to bed! ZueJay (talk) 07:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks for your help. Proto ► 19:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Ooh, I just remembered - I wanted to ask about the sentence regarding Wilson's solo album - it wasn't solo if it was creaed with Melissa York, was it? The sentence confuses me... ZueJay (talk) 19:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
York produced it. She maybe played some of the instruments (complete guess), but it was released as a Kaia Wilson solo album. I don't have a copy to check the liner notes, though. Proto ► 20:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to keep bugging on this - changed to "produced by" but now the sentence still doesn't read right with regards to whether it was produced after both left Team Dresch or only after Wilson left? ZueJay (talk) 03:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
They both left, and following Wilson's EP, they became two out of the four members of The Butchies. I've rewritten the sentence - let me know if it now scans to you. Neil (not Proto ►) 16:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Perfectly clear now - thanks! ZueJay (talk) 16:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Style comment

Just a small point, but one which was brought up at an FAC review which I was involved in– with regards to quotations in italics: see WP:MOS#Quotations in italics. In a nutshell, it says quotations should only be in italics if the source is in italics. Alternatively, if you want them in italics, you should add [emphasis added] (which looks ugly to be honest!). Otherwise, it says not to use italics for the only reason that it is a quotation. I'm quite happy to make the changes, just let me know which you prefer. I don't know whether your intentions are to move this up a notch to FA, but that's what they'll pick up on. :) Bubba hotep 20:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not my article, do whichever you think looks nicest! Proto ► 20:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, when I said "you", I meant users in general. Gain consensus and all that. :) Bubba hotep 20:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC) But when I said "your [intentions]", I was referring to you. Confused? I was. Bubba hotep 20:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

You think you were confused?! :p Proto ► 20:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Not any more, I've changed it. And when I say "I", I mean... ah, forget it! :P Bubba hotep 20:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)