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Contents 1 History/backstory 2 The Batman new version 3 Mr. vs. Mister 4 Requested move 4.1 Discussion 5 Gotham Girls tie-in 6 Introduction 7 Image clutter and spec revisions 8 Mr. Zero / Dr. Schivel etc 9 Creators 10 Arnold criticism

[edit] History/backstory

I think this page could use a good amount of work as to Mr. Freeze's comics backstory... the main narrative of the character biography is sort of cobbled together from the comics and the TV show... we should have clearly delineated character biographies for each format. (KGC)

Currently, a Mr. Freeze origin story entitled "Snow" is being told in Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight starting with issue number 192. Is there already a Mr. Freeze origin story in the current official Batman continuity? If not, will this new story be considered part of the continuity? If not, should a summary of this story be included in this article anyways once all parts of "Snow" have been released? -JesseJ

Is the information about Mr. Freeze's origin in this article the comic book version, the TV version, or an unsystematic mixture? --Paul A 02:44, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Seems like the animated series, if I remember correctly. The origins section needs to be fleshed out a bit more and fixed grammatically. --Poiuyt Man 15:27, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The origin listed is the current comic origin that is based on the origin presented in Batman The Animated Series. It was adapted as the official comic origin in the mid 90s and was the basis for the origin in Batman & Robin. Not sure about the origin being presented in Legends of the Dark Knight, I'll have to check it out.--Talison 03:12, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I tagged the origin as Batman: TAS because it is EXACTLY that. If someone wants to expand/generalize/point out the differences, that would be great.Simnel 10:28, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

All five issues of "Snow" have since been released, though it isn't considered part of the continuity (at least not to my knowledge), and personally I don't see any reason not to include details of it as an "alternative" origin to Victor Fries in "Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight". - Thyme

(I gave this section a title so that it would categorize in the ToC, reducing page clutter. ThuranX 15:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC) )

[edit] The Batman new version

From viewing the newest series (The Batman, 2004), it would seem Mr. Freeze has been given a new backstory. I'd like confirmation of my memory before posting to the main page; plus markup (I'm an admitted novice) and POV removal. I admit to prefering what I felt was a deeper "I failed my love" motivation to the newly presented version. Suggest fixes here, or if it fits the bill, feel free to put it up.

In his The Batman incarnation, Victor Fries is a former thief who specialized in diamond (ice) heists until he commits a robbery when the Batman is nearby. In the resulting chase, Fries seeks refuge in a cryogenics laboratory. Batman continues pursuit, cornering Fries in a chamber containing open cryogenic freezers and their controls. Fries falls into a freezing unit, and is electrocuted as the freezing process begins.

Upon awaking, he discovers he has the power to quick freeze most objects and produce ice, but Fries cannot control his ability. He threatens a nearby technician into devising a suit that allows him to contain his powers. Fries blames the Batman for his condition.

--DennyJay 17:45, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. vs. Mister

Should this page be moved so the entry is under "Mister Freeze"? Dr Archeville 21:29, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mr. Freeze is the common usage, so I would say no. --Poiuyt Man (talk) 08:53, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The IMDb seems to use Mr. Freeze consistently, although they're not infullible. sjorford #£@%&$?! 09:05, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Dragons flight 20:29, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Removal of abbreviation from title, and the target has edit history by a new user. --Apostrophe 05:09, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Discussion

The Batman Beyond entry in the 'other media' section is simply, like many other comic animation-related articles, taking details verbatim from the episode in question. This makes it not only too long, but full of mostly irrelevant details. I'm editing it for content and brevity. --Simnel 10:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gotham Girls tie-in

In the third season of the Flash series Gotham Girls, a new villain is introduced: Dora Smithy, Mr. Freeze's sister-in-law. She dons his freezing equipment in a quest to wipe out every supervillain possible, by any means neccessary, due to a misunderstanding that Mr. Freeze's actions killed her only sister. As a result, there is an emphasis on Mr. Freeze himself throughout the season, and is discussed several times, although he never actually makes an appearance. It's an official-made production, and from what I can tell is canon with the DC animated universe, but it's so very minor and Dora never shows up again or even gets any notable reaction with Mr. Freeze. I'm pretty sure adding her under "relatives" is a right-out "no", but should the Gotham Girls episodes in question, along with a maybe short quip on Dora, be added to the 'other media' section? Help me out here, I'm fairly new to the whole "Wikipedia contribution" thing. --Thores 09:13, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

New? The way you editted your time I would have never guessed.

Anyway, It belongs in the "Other media" section. The "Mr. Freeze" Article's main, summarized information is largely based on the comics. If you'll notice, Gotham Girls is animated and based on the DCAU rather than strict comics continuity. Ace Class Shadow 20:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction

The 'The Many Mr. Freezes'? This comes off as unprofessional and seems a poor introduction to the article. If kept, at least include an image of Fries from Batman Beyond and The Batman. If needed, I can provide both. —Ortchel 16:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image clutter and spec revisions

I have removed a number of recently added images to the page. I also then did brief review for speculative statements, as I noticed some while examining image solutions. There was a lot of 'motivational analysis' spec and such which I've removed. Further, Wikipedia doens't need over a dozen images for a page about a minor batman villian. One for each 'other media' is plenty, as well as a couple good images from the precrisis silver age, and the modern age. We're not a fanboy art gallery, let's avoid looking like one. ThuranX 15:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

DCIncarnate seems to think I added that image of arnold in bunny slippers. I did not. I invite DCI to check the page history. ThuranX 15:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. Zero / Dr. Schivel etc

OK, I have it on good authority that the Dr. Schivel (not Schimmel) thing was derived from the appearance of Mr. Zero in the comic book in 1959. While I'm not sure, I believe that 20th Century Fox went with Mr. Freeze rather than Mr. Zero because either Mr. Zero sounded like "Mr. Loser" or perhaps of confusion with an old NHL goalkeeper, Frank Brimsek, whose nickname was Mr. Zero. Staszu13 18:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Creators

From where does the "Created by Bob Kane" reference come? According to cbdb.com, the first appearance of Mr. Freeze was written by Dave Wood, with art by Sheldon Moldoff. Was this during the period in the Batman comics when Kane signed all stories, whether he worked on them, or not? Was anyone credited in the credits for the feature film?24.165.188.30 23:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arnold criticism

"Schwarzenegger has been criticized for his "abominable interpretation of Victor Fries."[3]"

Is this really relevant for the article? For pretty much any movie adaptation of anyone, actors have both been criticized and applauded for the role. The source which is linked is something I'm not able to verify the authenticity of, and even if authentic, why it is relevant to this article. Seeing as how they did include the proper story, people are largly disliking the portrayal due to the catch phrases and emotionalism of Mr. Freeze when he has been portrayed as a cold character in TAS. However, this is more of a psychotic interpretation, where one can be coldblooded, and in essence forcing themself to say lines in a way to feel something, even when they are largely cold due to tragedy. Considering he has not committed as many crimes in the movie as in the comics, he is more redeemable and thus unstable explaining such things. Tyciol (talk) 00:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)