Talk:Mr. Bungle

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[edit] Opinions regarding Mr. Bungle

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Their music sounds amazing and innovative to some and masturbatory and tiresome to others, and they have never found widespread commercial success, despite being fronted by former Faith No More singer Mike Patton, nor have they actively sought it. They were rumored only able to maintain their high production values because of guitarist Trey Spruance's considerable inherited wealth, but this has since been proven false ([ http://www.perfectpitchonline.com/v01i07/trey_spruance.php] ).

[edit] Mr. Bungle is Ok

Mr. Bungle as a band is Ok. The album California on the other hand, is probably one of the greatest albums ever... Disco Volante is sort of avangard, and the other material IS kind of masturbatory. But songs like Ars Moriendi, Goodbye Sober Day, and None Of Them New They Were Robots have a quality which is epochal to say the least. What does it mean to say that the band never had any commercial success?

Is are Moriendi the song that sounds loke freaking Arabian Metal? To say that a band had commercial success would mean that they enjoyed vast television exposure but more importantly that they made a lot of money from their albums. 207.157.121.50 11:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)mightyafrowhitey

[edit] Ahead of Their Time

I'm still struggling to decipher what you mean, mightyafrowhitey. But to dismiss everything Bungle produced, other than 'California' or 'Disco Volante', as mastubatory Bungle is simply ignorant. I'm going to assume you never listened to any of their 6 to 7 demos before their self-titled commercial debut? Such as:


Bowel Of Chiley

Excrement

Goddammit I Love America

Mi Stoke Il Cigaretto

OU818

Sudden Death

The Raging Wraith Of The Easter Bunny


http://www.cv.org/yellowpages/discography.htm

I suggest 'Mr Nice Guy' from 0U818

[edit] Title controversy

Removed, as the information was, a) incorrect, and b) cleared up earlier in the article. -al 05:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Articles

I am writing headlines to parts of the article that I feel should be seperated so a reader can get better overview. feel free to edit what I've done, I simply feel that it should be divided into sections for more accessability


[edit] Genres

Industrial is in the list of genres they played. Hell, they played a lot of shit, but I don't recall any 'Industrial' in there. Not the art school type, the rock type or EBM. I'm totally removing it. What does that word even mean!? I replaced it with surf rock, a genre they played constantly on California (doi). Gatesofawesome!

At Chapter "Major Releases" It says: "Their self-titled debut Mr. Bungle..." I would like to add, that the debut of Mr. Bungle is also mentioned by the name "I believe in sex and death"

Folks, the long list of genres strikes me as being a bit ridiculous. If there is one thing Mr. Bungle proves if you ask me it is the fact that the division of music into genres is a waste of time. Can't we just say they had their own style influenced by many different musical directions or something? --Vunzmstr 11:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Agreed, this list is getting ridiculous. I think it's already too long as it is...I'm for having a few major influences in there that are defined the most strongly in their work, though, but I see no reason to have so many genres listed in one sentence. echidnae 21:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I cut the genre list down, as it was getting VERY ridiculous. Can't we just agree that they were experimental by nature? I also could have sworn that "avant-garde" and "experimental" mean the same thing. - AG

[edit] Kiedis feud section

It's a little excessive, 76.19.27.223 19:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Why, because it goes into detail about a feud that lasted throughout Mr Bungle's career & had a major impact on the band? Explain why its "excessive".

[edit] Line-up

What was the line-up for Mr. Bungle? I mean, we know who were the members, but what was each one's duty? I'm assuming that Patton was lead singer and Dunn was bassist, but what about the others? Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me! • O)))) 12:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I would also like to ask why Fraggle was removed from the Line-Up section of Mr Bungle? He was one of the principle songwriters and a guitarist with Bungle for quite some time. He is now based in Sydney, Australia. (see [1] for info) (218.215.133.243 03:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Catalog

"The four early pre-Warner Bros cassettes are not part of the band's official catalogue, and are considered nearly unfindable today. They are quite valued on eBay, with auctions ending in the triple digits. They are, however, downloadable from a semi-official ftp-server." That is not really true: the cassettes are out of print but that doesn't affect them being official

[edit] Regarding Mr. Bungle vs. RHCP feud

The reason Mr. Bungle was kicked off their 2000 festivals, was because in their parodies of RHCP they re-enacted the death of Hillel Slovak, Kiedis' and Flea's childhood friend and original RHCP guitarist, as a joke. You can view videos of this performance on YouTube

Based off the available videos mentioned, they do not re-enact the death of Hillel Slovak. Trevor Dunn does attempt to shoot up his ghost but he fails for obvious reasons.

[edit] Semi-official FTP server?

When talking about the discography, an FTP server is mentioned. Maybe it would be wise to include a link to said FTP server? --129.7.154.124 00:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Used my parent's material from time to time

My parents had a few musical projects in Eureka (Humboldt County, Calfornia) between '85 and '91, and they used to play gigs all over the place. A few notable efforts include their bands AlienNation and Claire Voyant and the Momewraths. They used to put on these really off-the-wall shows complete with weird audience contests and funky costumes, and on a few occasions, these concepts were borrowed from them and used by Bungle. No musical material, just performance concepts. A few of these include easter egg hunts throughout different venues, the whole band wearing their underclothes over their regular stuff, and much more. I'll be back to update this with clearer information at a later date. --71.49.199.55 03:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation with alleged online rapist

Should this article have a disambiguation link to A Rape in Cyberspace, which talks about Mr. Bungle, the username of an alleged online rapist? I say "alleged" because there was no conviction as far as I can tell. I would guess that the band is far more notable than the other meaning. However, I came to this article looking for the online screen name, so perhaps others might come here as well (I was reading this article and came to Wikipedia to find information about it that is less excessively verbose as this other article). If there is to be a disambiguation link (I think a disambiguation page is inappropriate due to the large difference in notability), I suggest something like, "This article is about the band. For the username, see A Rape in Cyberspace." -- Kjkolb 02:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs citations

I've removed some material from the article which was unsourced. If sources can be found, please add (with source) back to the article. -- Mr Bungle 08:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Self titled debut

This raised a minor controversy, as several other videos aired at the time (including videos for Nirvana) contained images considered more graphic than those of "Travolta"..

Disco Volante

In doing so, the album constituted a marriage of formal, academic avant-garde with informal pop culture, and as such is an excellent representation of the synthesis of high art and low art.

Stage show

The presentation of the band on stage has sometimes been close to a realization of Antonin Artaud's Theatre of Cruelty in the musical domain.

Re this circus metal addition, while valuable, unfortunately I can't find any supporting cites for it, if it can be cited please move it back to the article. -- Mr Bungle | talk 07:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Bungle and a few bands that were heavily influenced by them have been recognised by some as representing a new metal subgenre called Circus Metal. These bands incorporate the constantly changing styles of Mr. Bungle, as well as the use of non-standard instruments and samples. The most notable of these bands are Dog Fashion Disco and Tub Ring, but several upcoming bands now use the subgenre to describe themselves.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mr. bungle-logo.png

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NOT TODAY, BOTS!!! = ∫tc 5th Eye 23:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Review – Failed

The article, as whole, has various grammatical and structure problems that keep it from being passed as a GA:

  • During the course of their career the band also had an ongoing feud with Red Hot Chili Peppers frontman Anthony Kiedis, which escalated in the late 90s with Kiedis having Mr. Bungle removed from a number of large music festivals in Europe and Australasia where the Chili Peppers were headlining." Good information, but it needs to be trimmed and divided into several sentences. Far too long in it's current state.
  • The article has an overall colloquial tone:
    • "The content is, however, very hard to pin down using specific genres, and the structure and musical style of any single track frequently changes dramatically" Too informal.
  • "Critic Steve Huey wrote in All Music Guide "Mr. Bungle is a dizzying, disconcerting, schizophrenic tour through just about any rock style the group can think of, hopping from genre to genre without any apparent rhyme or reason, and sometimes doing so several times in the same song." Should be reworded to sound more fluent.
  • "The album featured numerous samples, including Kentucky Fried Chicken commercial outtakes, items from the videogames "Super Mario Bros”, "Smash TV”, and “RBI Baseball", the movies Blue Velvet and Sharon's Sex Party, and the pinball games "Cyclone," “Earthshaker," and "Haunted House." I have absolutely no idea what this sentence means. Also, there are several punctuation issues such as using a period before the quotes of a song title.
  • Personally, I believe this article comes across as very...favorable to Mr. Bungle and there's little to no criticism of the band's material. Whoever wrote the article is far too biased and there needs to be some outside help gathering sources which criticized the band.
  • The entire section regarding his feud with Kiedis is relatively un-encyclopedic in this article, as it's basically a Patton thing, and he's simply using the band to levitate his beliefs.

There's a lot of work to be done before resubmitting. If you feel this assessment was conducted in error, please, feel free to seek a review. NSR77 TC 21:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Amazing Band

Mr. Bungle is one, if not the, greatest band ever. They are an acquired taste, as it took me some time to warm up to them, but now I can't understand why other bands choose to be so simplistic. I use to think System of a Down was the pinnacle of eccentric and innovative music. While I still love SOAD, I have to say, when it comes to eccentric, innovative, experimental, and all-around crazy music, they have nothing on Mr. Bungle. I know this has nothing to do with the article. I just wanted to voice my opinion. Chicken Twinky

True. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Callmarcus (talk • contribs) 03:18, August 21, 2007 (UTC).
Stage show section could use expansion. —Viriditas | Talk 08:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mr. bungle-logo.png

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[edit] Is there any reason...

Why the pictures were switched around? --74.135.59.209 (talk) 05:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)