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[edit] Referencing

MPJ-DK,

I'm sorry to see you leave the project. If you need any extra help with referencing additional articles, please let me know. MadMax 08:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I plan on keeping on working on wrestling articles, just keeping my own "to do" list etc, I'll let you know if I need a hand- and likewise, I've been a fan since 1989 so I got a lot of knowledge & history stashed away in my noggin' so if there are any of your articles you think I might be able to contribute to feel free to leave a list here and I'll give them a look. I want to focus on the positives, be a content contributor instead of having to jump through "Cite this" hoops all the time, it's easier this way. MPJ-DK 08:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I'd appreciate that, thanks. Most of my wrestling contributions are listed on my user page, a lot of the earliest being independent wrestlers although I've recently been working on regional and international wrestlers as well. Personally speaking, it does seem to be stressful to cite even trivial details. It doesn't exactly encourage editors to put a lot of work into an article when content can be removed at any time. MadMax 08:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I'll go through the list and add some references etc to reduce the chance of AfD'ing - seems like I already did a major update on Jonathan Boyd without realizing you created the article ;) MPJ-DK 09:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Wow, great job! It's certainly far superior to my modest introduction. MadMax 09:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steve Rizzono

Hi there. I was corresponding with MadMax about the Steve Rizzono article which is currently up for deletion. He said that you are proficient in the referencing and wrestling aspects of Wikipedia so I was wondering if you could take a look at the entry and let me know what you think. Regards!

[edit] Maryland Championship Wrestling

MPJ-DK,

Would you happen to know any reliable sources for Maryland Championship Wrestling's championship titles ? They've all been nominated for deletion recently and, while I've provided reference to Gary Will's "Wrestling Title Histories" as well as Solie's Title Histories and Puroresu Dojo, I was hoping to back up the individual results at prowrestilnghistory.com with no luck. Also I've been working on Billy Firehawk and I was curious if you knew any references for his career in IWCCW or ECW ? I know he competed as Fabulous Firehawk in both promotions and remained with ECW until late 1994, although I've no references to back it up. Again, I greatly appreciate your help providing references for other articles. MadMax 05:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I've just finished a first draft, if you'd like to take a look. MadMax 11:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Just found a source for the McEwen/Odayko controversey, a column by the Washington Post. Nothing on the Shane Shamrock tournament yet, unfortunatly. I have however added a section on their television and online show Rage TV and incorperated the "further reading" section into the article. MadMax 00:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The last reference was great, thanks. I had idea of trying to compare attendence results between the Shane Shamrock Cup and the Super 8 Tournament and other independent events. How do you think it looks so far ? I know it still needs revising as far as being readable and especially get more of a sence of the promotion's history. If there's anything you can think of, please let me know. Again, I really appreciate all the help you've done. I've been stressing about the Shamrock Cup references for a while. :) MadMax 18:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The attendance of the final Shane Shamrock Cup in 2003 was over 1,000 according to 1wrestling.com [1] while the Wrestling Information Archive [2] claims an attendance of 450 for the Super 8 Tournament in 2005 and The Wrestilng Clothesline [3] states 600 in 2007 (although the latter two, I believe, are generally not considered reliable sources). MadMax 18:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

MDJ-DK,

Do you think Maryland Championship Wrestling is ready to be restored or should the title pages should be saved and moved to a user subpage ? Also, would it be nessessary to cite the dvd's ? There are quite a few dvd's of MCW's television tapings, although would these be nessessary to include ? MadMax 19:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Again, I just want to say I really appreciate all the help. I enjoyed working with you on this article and, again, if you ever need any extra help please let me know. MadMax 20:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silly mistake

In the Dynamite Kid article, you have his name as "Tom "British Bulldog" Billington" when it should be "Tom "Dynamite Kid" Billington."--Pharoahski 20:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC) Done--Pharoahski 20:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Notability (athletes)

MPJ-DK,

While this page is now defunct, do you think it applies to professional wrestling ? If not, do you think it might be worth creating something along these lines in regards to professional wrestlers ? MadMax 20:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can-Am Express

MPJ-DK,

It its any help, Main Event: WWE in the 1980s (pg. 139) states:
In 1987, Martel returned to the World Wrestling Federation as part of the popular short lived duo the Can-Am Connection. Soon after their WrestleMania III victory over "Magnificent" Don Muraco & "Cowboy" Bob Orton. Martel's partner vanished after a prematch attack from the Hart Foundation.

As the article states Zenk left after the team last wrestled the Islanders in June, I wasn't sure how to reference it in the article. MadMax 03:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ana Rocha

I've been doing some work on Ana Rocha, specifically providing sources to remove the deletion proposal of the article, and I found what seems to be her IMDb.com profile Ana Rocha at the Internet Movie Database. However, if you'll note her official web page and this IMDb.com profile, the two seem drasticly contradictory although there are enough gaps in her filmography that she could have made these guest appearances. While I'm not sure how familiar you are in regards to the New England independent circuit, do you think there's anyway to verify any of this ? MadMax 07:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blanking/Deletion

MPJ-DK,

Sorry, I don't mean to leave you so many messages. I noticed recently, a few editors have blanked articles (presumably due to WP:BLP) and then added a {{prod}} or by another user soon after, such as Team Madness. Should the blanked text be restored, and if so, should the {{prod}} tag be removed ? I only ask as there's a good chance the article will be nominated regardless of the changes made. MadMax 10:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:ICW logo.jpg

Hello, MPJ-DK. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under fair use that was in your userspace. The image (Image:ICW logo.jpg) was found at the following location: User:MPJ-DK/ICW. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 08:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Mouth Loud

To be honest that's an article I'd recommend keeping, although it would need the help of a Japanese speaker to fix it up. sporsnavi covers all the Japanese promotions, and a site search returns plenty of results. One Night In Hackney303 09:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll de-prod it, and try and find someone who can translate and/or find other sources. Although BML ran shows on a sporadic basis (and none since mid-2006) they generally had good attendances at Korakuen Hall (1500+) and they were on ESPN-J as well. There's a couple of possibilities for sourcing that I found straight away. The Japanese wiki version has plenty of information as well. Sportsnavi tend to do pretty in-depth coverage of news, for example they had this for the press conference for the launch of the GPWA. I can think of plenty of American promotions that we have articles on that are far less notable in America than BML are in Japan, so it makes sense to try and do something to save it. One Night In Hackney303 09:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incredibly Strange Wrestling page

Thank you for your help cleaning up the references on the Incredibly Strange Wrestling page. I couldn't quite figure out how to get the formatting right. Any other suggestions for this page?

[edit] hello

As far as im aware, policy allows for unsourced info to be removed at any time from bios of living people, and if wikipedia is going to be a trusted source for info then the stuff in the article must correspond to the sources. The majority of the time, info I removed is controversial. there should be no problem if we add sources to the articles to back up the info. I and others are trying to do that.----La Parka Your Car 19:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC) sounds good----La Parka Your Car 21:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Professional Championship Wrestling

The PROD was removed for the third time so I have nominted for AfD it can be found here, [4] Darrenhusted 01:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC) I think you messaged just as I was listing, all the articles are now on the AfD. Darrenhusted 11:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the formatting, I have added some more pages, I hope I've caught them all. Darrenhusted 13:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] done

The Central States article is at the link you provided. Let me know when you're done so I can delete the subpage, ok? SirFozzie 14:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

After talking it over with Guy, I have restored the article Heart of America Sports Attractions, so there's no need for the subpage, you can just edit it in articlespace. Do you want me to post something on WP:PW to get other eyes on it as well? SirFozzie 15:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] With regards to sourcing TV

I've tried something at Hell in a Cell which may be a way to source PPV matches, and I may be able to format it for TV episodes (essentially we would have to agree on RAW and SD!'s first "Season" and then each episode would be 1-52), I'll work on something and get back to you. Darrenhusted 13:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

for the compliment, I was going to leave the list as it is and start another AfD later in the week if the PRODs were unsuccessful, of course this means keeping a list and I just wanted to get as many in one go as possible. Darrenhusted 23:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking at these articles International Wrestling Syndicate, Genny Goulet, Eddy Dorozowsky, Chris Kindred, Ricky Reyes, Claudio Castagnoli, Dru Onyx, Mika Akino, Mariko Yoshida, SHIMMER Women Athletes, Chikara Pro Wrestling and seeing a whole bunch of articles related to each other and occasionally mentioing WWE/WCW wrestlers but mostly relying on kayfabe writing and myspace pages as references. I'll make a deal, if you PROD them, I'll AfD any that have the PRODs removed. Darrenhusted 01:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shag Thomas

I see you prodded the Shad Thomas article. Shag Thomas is a VERY NOTABLE wrestler from the 1950s & 1960s. He was a black wrestler during the days when most blacks would not get a fair shake in many organizations. There are two references listed for the article, which in my opinion, more than establish the notability of a wrestler from that far back. It is much more difficult to find reliable sources on info for wrestlers from that time. Even under the WP:N (which is not listed as a reason to delete an article under the deletion criteria...probably because it is only a guideline), it says that if notability could have been established some time in the past that notability continues on even if it is more difficult to prove at a later date. I mentioned it on the pro-wrestling talk page, but I think we need to give a little bit of leeway on the biographies of wrestlers from the pre-1980s (and probably more so the further one goes back). Anyway, I was going to remove the prod, but wanted to discuss this with you first. - T-75|talk|contribs 01:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! It is on my list of articles to work on. I'm actually the one to create it, but when I did I knew very little about creating and sourcing articles and having them look good. Now that I do it's on my list of articles to try and improve. - T-75|talk|contribs 15:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] International Championship Wrestling

Hi MPJ-DK. You are off to such a great start on the article International Championship Wrestling that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page would help bring publicity to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee (Talk) 14:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD

A user is having a pop at your voting record at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glen Osbourne. Darrenhusted 11:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem, the current crop of AfDs are full of spa editors or people making pointy edits. This guy was helpful in rounding up the AfDs in to one category (making it easier for multiple votes) and yet seems to be criticising people for taking advantage of his rounding up? Darrenhusted 12:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 30 June 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article International Championship Wrestling, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 22:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nice work

Looks like you single handedly did a whole article. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Machines_%28professional_wrestling%29&diff=141802759&oldid=131444403

Nice work!

[edit] Notability guidelines

After you expressed your dissatisfaction with the way WP:PW was handling the much needed Notability Guidelines (and I agree with you...it was poor), I started a list of proposed guidelines to get people serious about the issue. I'm not sure if you've seen it (or if you care since you said you were done with the project), but I've gathered together some of the points we made and put it here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Notability guidelines. I just thought I'd let you know in case you want to help. You can discuss changes on the talk page. Nikki311 07:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Glen Osbourne

Regardsing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glen Osbourne. I have updated the article, infobox and a few citations. The article should pass WP:BIO Athlete now. However it's still pretty poor on citation. Still depends on what you want to vote on it. But being that he competed in ECW and ECWA is passable for WP:BIO Athlete and being that he won belts, should be fairly notable in professional wrestling terms. Your thoughts are welcome know. Govvy 14:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 6 July DYK

Updated DYK query On 6 July 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Machines (professional wrestling), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-Andrew c [talk] 20:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Snapped_tooth

Hi MPJ-DK, your doing a great job putting sources in articles! Just to let you know that it seems like Snapped tooth is obseesed with Rico, as he just reverted your edit. Either that, or he's a Burntsauce sock (who hasn't edited since June 30) ... Davnel03 16:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

He's done it again... Davnel03 17:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
File a checkuser request here. Thanks. Davnel03 17:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Burntsauce. We'll have to wait for the result. Davnel03 18:03, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bobby Eaton

Hi. I started to do some copyediting on the Bobby Eaton article, but I stopped when I got into more of the wrestling lingo. I don't follow wrestling at all, so I wasn't sure if the wording was correct or if it needed a good polishing. Is there a wrestling portal where you might be able to find someone who is familiar with the sport to copyedit for you? Karanacs 13:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I have reviewed this article for GA and placed it on hold, please see the article talk page for details. Aboutmovies 20:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I know you have been working on the items, just let me know on my talk page when you think you are done and I'll re-read the article. Aboutmovies 18:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I started to go through the article, but got stuck. First I made some minor edits, but more troublesome was "Eaton was instrumental in running the duo off or at least that was the story given to the fans, in reality the Blondes signed with a different promotion.[1]" from the section Wrestling career, end of second paragraph. I was trying to re-word the sentence to show a more encyclopedic variation and was looking for the info in the original source, but the source cited does not discuss running the Blondes off. As you are more familiar with the article/sources, is this perhaps in a different source? If so, here is more of what the sentence should look like: The Blondes then signed with a different promotion company, and Eaton was given a storyline where he was responsible for the Blondes leaving the region. Basically, articles should be like dry toast, rather boring prose and just the facts. The facts themselves can be entertaining and intriguing, but the reader needs to be left to decide that.
Other items: I would suggest taking a day off from the article, then come back and give it a thorough read through. This way simple mistakes like "In the end Bobby Eaton conclusively Chris Colt and thus earned..." from the section Coming of age can be caught (I'm guessing beat/defeated is needed after conclusively). In that same section spell out Memphis, Tennessee. At the beginning of that section: "making it look like Eaton had been seriously injured (in reality he was unharmed by the moved)." would be better as "making it appear Eaton had been seriously injured, though Eaton was not injured by the move. Same paragraph has he’d in it. Also "&" ampersands generally should not be used, but if used then used consistently. For instance when mentioning a tag team in () then always use & inside the (). But you can't then use them outside when refering to them in the paragraphs as the rest of the aricle uses and, so unless every "and" becomes a & (and I mean every single one) then it is not consistent. Thus it is best not to use it unless it is part of a formal name (see Tiffany & Co. for an example). I hope that makes sense.
Otherwise the article has been toned down, but examples continue: Eaton’s most successful parternership in the CWA was without a doubt with Sweet Brown Sugar (Koko B. Ware), the two... Where without a doubt becomes a value judgment. Instead just give the fact that this partnership produced X titles, compared to X titles with other parterships. This way the reader makes the judgment as to how successful each partnership was. Again, remember what the paper encylopedia entries looked like back in school (rather dry); basically more Bill Gates like, less Vince McMahon like. More like PBS, less like FOX.
On Friday I'll check back in and read the article. If it is GA quality at that point I'll pass it, if not I'll fail it. If it fails, I'll leave extensive notes on what needs to be improved. Once those are done, then just re-nominate. On the plus side, like I said this has plenty of depth, so once it passes GA it should have an easy time being brought up to FA. Aboutmovies

OK, I went through and made some changes, which is part of the reason I failed it, as I have probably done too much editing to be an uninterested party. But the article has come a long way since the nomination and I commend you for the work. Address those few items left and then you can re-nominate. Plus now you have better idea of what the process is like and the criteria, so next time and for future articles it will be a breeze. Again great job on the article. Aboutmovies 19:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Road Warriors

Hey, I reverted the revert only because I was looking to condense the references. Check it out and you'll see. I noted it wrong because I was doing it quick while at work. I'm sure you'll see what I mean, check it out... used for really long reference lists. Great tool! Hellswasteland 17:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)