Talk:Moye W. Stephens

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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: This article needs major work and I have begun it. Stephens was notable for two things: piloting Richard Halliburton around the world, and co-founding Northrop. All the rest is either background for general aviation history, or family feel-good fluff. It appears mostly unsourced, in that the extensive outlinks are to websites that feature the named person or thing, without necessarily providing any proof of the assertion they appear next to. Clearly, the finding and addition of such outlinks represented a lot of someone's time, but it is not in the spirit of Wikipedia. All such padding must be removed. Also, two articles have been dumped together without proper merging, so the same facts reappear several times. It all needs work. The article as it stands is weak. BrainyBabe (talk) 09:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC) (edit)

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[edit] redirect

We can't have two identical articles on him, I redirected the other to here. No reason to not do this, as it serves the same function. Pharmboy (talk) 13:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] image copyright status

Each of the questioned images belongs to the Moye Stephens' family photo collection. No category provides for this case. If you note the "Regards to the gang" on the Northrop group photo, you will see the picture was a gift by Northrop to his key players. Moye Stephens kept it in his possession. Altj1 (talk) 19:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

• You may need to get a release from the family then, to put it under the GFDL or Public Domain. I've done that before, it isn't hard, just copy the letter over to your talk page and archive it. Pharmboy (talk) 21:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Re GFDL or Public Domain: I published the Wiki article for the family, to help them in their desire to see that Moye Stephens gets the recognition he deserves. Free public usage of the pictures, which is to say carte blanche or encouragement, was not the intent. Altj1 (talk) 20:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

• Then that is a problem. It isn't my policy, it's Wikipedia's, everything here must be GFDL, Public Domain, or Creative Commons (I use that one often, "with attribution"). THey don't allow anything else, excepting SOME "Fair Use", but this wouldn't fall under that category. You might try reading the different licenses before you decide they can't live with it. It may be that you can't accept any of them, which is certainly fine, but you can't use the images. Again, I'm just the messenger, don't shoot me! Pharmboy (talk) 21:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I licensed and re-uploaded the images, but after uploading I still read this warning: "This image or media does not have information on its copyright status." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Altj1 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

• i think you can go under the LICENSE section, choose edit, and type: { {cc-by-sa-3.0} } but without the spaces between the { marks, assuming that is the license you want to use. Pharmboy (talk) 18:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Parts of Wiki are intuitive; others are not for those without seasoned familiarity. The only way I have found to access licensing is by clicking Upload under Tool Box, then re-uploading. In short, I begin all over again. At what page do I start for the LICENSE section/edit?Altj1 (talk) 23:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

• Wow, I am just not sure. Other than what I said, I wouldn't know. All the stuff I have upped were photos that I took myself, so it was a simple CCw/A, GFDL or PD. Pharmboy (talk) 23:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major overhaul!

This article needs major work and I have begun it. Stephens was notable for two things: piloting Richard Halliburton around the world, and co-founding Northrop. All the rest is either backgroudn for general aviation history, or family feel-good fluff. It appears mostly unsourced, in that the extensive outlinks are to websites that feature the named person or thing, without necessarily providing any proof of the assertion they appear next to. Clearly, the finding and addition of such outlinks represented a lot of someone's time, but it is not in the spirit of Wikipedia. All such padding must be removed. Also, two articles have been dumped together without proper merging, so the same facts reappear several times. It all needs work. BrainyBabe (talk) 09:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Pharmboy for the coding work. As you acknowledge, most of the links now nicely hidden are still not encyclopedic references. Do you have any more energy for this article? I am not sure why I started, really. What would be a useful next step? BrainyBabe (talk) 17:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I can do some over time. It will require checking each reference. I think some of the references he put in it were not proper, and instead were references of the item mentioned rather than references to the fact. I am confident he did this in good faith, and was just inexperienced. He also was facing speedy delete, etc. so he likely padded it a bit, again, in good faith. The aviator is notable, but it will take time to sort it all out. My goal would be to *first* weed through the citations and trim it out (and find new ones that actually apply), then work on making it concise by removing redundent info and reorganizing the sections. It would be nice if I had some help with this, and we all did it in the same order as I laid out. When all is said and done, it will likely be a complete rewrite, but we have pretty good data to start from. Pharmboy (talk) 19:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you that the sources were added in good faith, but are almost always irrelevant. I have done enough on this, and really should leave it alone, but I suspect I will come back and weed. I leave you or others to add. BrainyBabe (talk) 07:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Many hands make for light work. If we all do a little, it will get fixed in a month or two. Pharmboy (talk) 14:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)