Talk:Movin' Out (Brian's Song)

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As of today, tv.yahoo.com confirms this episode's title with an expected airdate of September 30. Cromulent Kwyjibo 23:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Title Reference 2 Simpsons gag cut out of US airwaves? 3 Cultural References 4 Origin of Songs 5 This must be vandalism... 6 Fair use rationale for Image:FGMovingOut.jpg

[edit] Title Reference

Doesn't it seem odd having the made-for-tv movie Brian's Song as being referenced by the title? It seems too obscure, even for family guy... I'd rule it as a coincidence. -Scharb 05:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

--- Are you kidding me? That movie was a phenomenal success on television, so much so that it was later shown in theatres and even did well there, despite having aired dozens of time on various tv stations around the world. To this day it's a popular rental, it has an impressive cast and has been remade at least once - even the remake was successful.

It's faaaaaaaar from obscure. I've never even seen the damned thing and I know tons about it just from the fact that it's an established part of popular culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.144.24.72 (talk) 07:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Simpsons gag cut out of US airwaves?

This appears to be the consensus on IMDb message boards. Any sources on this? Maybe they thought it was too bad of taste at the last minute (it really was). 142.176.58.183 02:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone needs to find legitimate confirmation, as this scene as it is described seems not only very complex, but also very unlikely. Saget53 02:23, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

i'll check the canadian version soon, and get back to you in a bit Grande13 02:40, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I am in Toronto, Canada, and watched the episode on Global. Sure enough, that scene was there. And fortunately, I have it on tape. I noticed that the scene didn't air on the US west coast feed later that evening, and I was wondering what was going on - until now, I had assumed that the east coast FOX aired it, but that west coast didn't. --guru 14:40, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm also in Toronto and saw the scene. It is as described, but of course, I can't provide an actual reference to it aside from my own personal verification. Came looking here to see the story after hearing from people who claim not to have seen that part. Wandering Ghost 16:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hah, FOX airing something like that? Nope, East Coast FOX airs the same thing as West Coast, I do believe. Well, at least we receive the edited versions of everything. Adult Swim airs the unedited. Zchris87v 06:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I also saw the unedited one here in Winnipeg Insaneassassin247 17:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Here is the clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-9nT7s61j8 Insaneassassin247 17:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

That one got the TOS, but there is another one... Zchris87v 06:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Seth McFarlane spoke on the Mizzou campus on the night of Friday, Sept. 28. He showed Sunday's episode that night. The episode did include the Simpsons gag. In his speech after the showing of the episode, he mentioned how "the network is not gonna allow that gag (referring to the Simpsons gag)." The gag did not show on the feed available in Columbia, MO. -12:34, 1 October 2007

Is the gag on the version that can be downloaded from iTunes? Minker 03:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so what exactly will it take to get mention of this scene included in this article? All Canadian viewers saw it with their own eyes, but it seems that's not good enough (even though the entire "plot summary" in this article unreferenced but has been left intact, when that is all based on "I saw it with my own eyes" too...) People referenced Seth Macfarlane's showing of the episode at a university campus prior to the airing, and this wasn't good enough. People referenced message board discussions of the clip, and that wasn't good enough. People referenced youtube postings of the clips, but when they were pulled, that was declared to not be good enough. Now I posted a refernce to the IMDB description of the "alternate versions" of the episode, and somebody has just pulled that reference as well, claiming that "IMDB isn't a good source". This is getting silly. I can understand the value of requiring proper references, but by this logic, should we pull every plot summary of every episode of every tv series described on wikipedia that were posted based on first-hand viewing, imdb data, or other "unreliable" internet sources? What reference would be "good enough" here to finally acknowledge the existance of this clip as part of this article??? --guru 15:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Now that gag just aired on Adult Swim, it seems OK to leave info as it is without a source. --(trogga) 03:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural References

Once again, let me clarify the policy on these cultural references sections. There are two big reasons why cultural reference sections are shyed away from. One, they are considered trivia sections, which are unwanted on Wikipedia (see WP:ENC). Two, most cultural reference sections on Family Guy episode pages contain info that could not have possibly been misconstrued by the viewer. The only reason there should ever be a cultural reference section is if there is an unclarified reference, such as a line or recreated scene, to an object of pop culture. If anyone thinks they saw anything in the episode that fits that criteria, please let me know. Saget53 05:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't disagree with you more...on both points. First off, the "cultural references" sections in the Family Guy episode pages are NOT trivia sections -- at least, not in the sense Wikipedia attempts to avoid: as you'll notice from the trivia templates, the whole idea is to remove information irrelevant to the article, while integrating relevant information into the article. As noted in the FG main article, and in most articles about the show, about 90% of Family Guy's humor derives from the "cutaways" and "pop-culture references" (the former nearly always containing the latter) -- and since it's a comedy show, it follows that an article devoted to a specific episode of the show (as this particular article is) MUST contain information about the humor (remember: pop-culture references->humor) used in that episode in order to provide an accurate picture/impression/description of that episode. Or look at it from the other end: the pop-culture references make up a good portion of each episode's uniqueness -- so they are ENTIRELY relevant to an article dedicated to a particular episode. Now, by virtue of the fact that the pop-culture references are almost always couched in cutaways, and a cutaway by definition being a self-contained thing which is intentionally separate from the main dialogue, it follows that the pop-culture references must be "cut away" from the main description of the episode's plot -- in other words, housed in their own self-contained list. And thus I rest my case -- that not only are "cultural references" lists in these FG episode articles not in violation of the WP:TRIVIA policy, but in fact are required for an article to be complete. | | | | | Now on that second point: for you to say "most cultural reference sections on Family Guy episode pages contain info that could not have possibly been misconstrued by the viewer" is either highly arrogant, or an utter lie. Family Guy's pop-culture references are very often obscure -- even the Family Guy writing staff themselves point this out (in the episode "One If by Clam, Two If by Sea", with the Benjamin Disraeli scene [and I quote, from that article's page: "With this reference, Family Guy pokes fun at itself referencing not only well-known pop culture icons and historical figures, but also relatively obscure people of whom many viewers have no knowledge."]). Also, in many cases the pop-culture references are very dated -- coming from the early-to-mid 1980s...meaning that some majority of viewers in the 13-25 age demographic would have no clue what the meaning was behind those references. The "cultural references" sections in these articles are concise (most points are only a sentence long), and serve no other purpose than (a) to provide a picture of the humor used in the episode [which again is very relevant in episode-by-episode articles about a comedy show], (b) to explain what some of the more obscure references mean, and (c) to provide wikilinks to the pages about the items referenced. These sections are invaluable to many a Wikipedia-user, notably people who are in the 13-25 age range, people not from America and therefore from a different culture, and non-native English speakers. These sections aren't hurting anyone or anything -- on the contrary, they help people; and, again, they serve to provide a clear picture of the content of the episode. | | So before you go off half-cocked erasing another one, you need to discuss your thoughts here on the talk page and wait for a consensus. Since it is customary for the section in question to be a part of these articles, I'm going to restore it now. Thank you. Piercetheorganist 07:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of Songs

Where's that song playing in the Rocky IV robot scene from, and how is it called? Please add this to Trivia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.180.99.138 (talk) 22:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This must be vandalism...

From the "censorship" section:

"During the scene where Lois and Brian talk about whether or not Brian should move in with Jillian, a fake advertisement for The Simpsons with Marge appears on the bottom of the screen. Quagmire walks in and tries to rape Marge. Marge runs offscreen with Quagmire following her. After Lois and Brian finish talking, Marge and Quagmire return while Marge exclaims how wonderful sex with Quagmire was; Quagmire suggests going to Marge's house for "round two." (Offscreen), Quagmire finishes having sex with Marge at The Simpson home, but then kills the entire Simpson family after they walk in on them (also offscreen). This scene was cut from the Fox airing, but aired on Global in Canada. The version shown on Fox cut abruptly to commercial prior to the scene referencing The Simpsons.

A noted fact that the Simpsons were not voiced by their respective actors, most evident in Bart and Lisa's case."

That has to be a joke. I will remove that from the article if there are no responses within a day. --FlyingPenguins 04:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I deleted that one myself. However, there was some discussion about this on IMDB. Haven't seen this scene myself, and can't confirm 100%, but it seems like this is true. / edg ☺ ★ 05:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It's for real. It has been posted on several fileshare sites and, perhaps more relevant to wikipedia, it is noted at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0945077/alternateversions --guru 20:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

See "Simpsons gag cut out of US airwaves?" above, please. --guru 15:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know the discussion above was the same as the one I brought up. --FlyingPenguins 01:30, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:FGMovingOut.jpg

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