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[edit] elevation
Well, 14,179 is certainly not well-known. Have you corrected the height number in every reference to Shasta thoughout Wikipedia? Are there other similar errors for U.S. mountains?
NorCalHistory 06:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
every quad map i've seen uses 14,162
Elevations on the USGS quad maps are not the most up to date elevations, because they are only updated every couple of decades or so.
To find the best elevation of a mountain, visit the National Geodetic Survey web site http://www.ngs.noaa.gov . Click on "datasheets". Click on the "DATASHEETS" button. Click on "Radial Search". Now, you can search for benchmarks near any spot in the US.
For Mount Shasta, enter N412433 for Latitude, W1221142 for Longitude. Click the "Submit" button. Click "Select All". Click "Get Datasheets". Scroll down towards bottom of page. See where it says NAVD 88 ? That's the elevation in the NAVD88 coordinate system, as of the epoch date (here, 1991). It says 14179 feet. That's the latest, most accurate, elevation.
-- hike395 13:25, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
--- thanks for the good information
Looks like we're revisiting this issue again --- the 14179 foot elevation is from the NGS, in the NAVD88 coordinate system. I've reproduced the datasheet, below, as evidence. I'll revert back to 14179.
1 National Geodetic Survey, Retrieval Date = AUGUST 13, 2006 MX1016 *********************************************************************** MX1016 DESIGNATION - MT SHASTA MX1016 PID - MX1016 MX1016 STATE/COUNTY- CA/SISKIYOU MX1016 USGS QUAD - MT SHASTA (1986) MX1016 MX1016 *CURRENT SURVEY CONTROL MX1016 ___________________________________________________________________ MX1016* NAD 83(1992)- 41 24 33.10572(N) 122 11 41.59809(W) ADJUSTED MX1016* NAVD 88 - 4321.8 (meters) 14179. (feet) VERTCON MX1016 ___________________________________________________________________ MX1016 EPOCH DATE - 1991.35 MX1016 LAPLACE CORR- -8.40 (seconds) DEFLEC99 MX1016 GEOID HEIGHT- -23.40 (meters) GEOID03 MX1016 MX1016 HORZ ORDER - THIRD MX1016 MX1016.The horizontal coordinates were established by classical geodetic methods MX1016.and adjusted by the National Geodetic Survey in March 1994.. MX1016.The horizontal coordinates are valid at the epoch date displayed above. MX1016.The epoch date for horizontal control is a decimal equivalence MX1016.of Year/Month/Day. MX1016 MX1016.The NAVD 88 height was computed by applying the VERTCON shift value to MX1016.the NGVD 29 height (displayed under SUPERSEDED SURVEY CONTROL.) MX1016 MX1016.The Laplace correction was computed from DEFLEC99 derived deflections. MX1016 MX1016.The geoid height was determined by GEOID03. MX1016 MX1016; North East Units Scale Factor Converg. MX1016;SPC CA 1 - 730,521.333 1,983,705.772 MT 0.99994479 -0 07 38.8 MX1016;SPC CA 1 - 2,396,718.74 6,508,208.02 sFT 0.99994479 -0 07 38.8 MX1016;UTM 10 - 4,584,496.046 567,290.909 MT 0.99965572 +0 31 57.2 MX1016 MX1016! - Elev Factor x Scale Factor = Combined Factor MX1016!SPC CA 1 - 0.99932624 x 0.99994479 = 0.99927107 MX1016!UTM 10 - 0.99932624 x 0.99965572 = 0.99898219 MX1016 MX1016 SUPERSEDED SURVEY CONTROL MX1016 MX1016 NAD 83(1986)- 41 24 33.10402(N) 122 11 41.59988(W) AD(1984.00) 3 MX1016 NAD 27 - 41 24 33.55600(N) 122 11 37.56700(W) AD( ) 3 MX1016 NGVD 29 (07/19/86) 4320.0 (m) 14173. (f) VERT ANG MX1016 MX1016.Superseded values are not recommended for survey control. MX1016.NGS no longer adjusts projects to the NAD 27 or NGVD 29 datums. MX1016.See file dsdata.txt to determine how the superseded data were derived. MX1016 MX1016_U.S. NATIONAL GRID SPATIAL ADDRESS: 10TEL6729184496(NAD 83) MX1016_MARK LOGO: USGS MX1016 MX1016 HISTORY - Date Condition Report By MX1016 HISTORY - 1952 MONUMENTED CGS MX1016 MX1016 STATION DESCRIPTION MX1016 MX1016'DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1952 (WRH) MX1016'THE STATION IS LOCATED ABOUT 10 MILES AIRLINE EAST OF WEED, 9-1/2 MX1016'MILES NORTHEAST OF THE TOWN OF MT. SHASTA, ON THE HIGH NORTHWEST MX1016'SPUR OF MT. SHASTA. MX1016' MX1016'THE STATION IS A STATION OF THE U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY AND WAS MX1016'NOT VISITED BY THIS PARTY. A FLAGED TARGET OVER THE STATION WAS MX1016'INTERSECTED.
[edit] Volume
This article says that Mt. Shasta is the most voluminous volcano in the Cascade Range at 450 cubic kM, yet the article on the nearby Medicine Lake volcano states that it is also most voluminous volcano in the Cascade Range at 600 kM. I don't know which is correct, but it should be resolved.
- According to (Wood 1990) Shasta is the largest startovolcano at ~350 cubic km while Medicine Lake is the largest volcano at ~600 cubic km. I'll look into making updates. --Burntnickel 23:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, I don't need to make any updates as the articles are both already correct. --Burntnickel 00:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mount Sisson?
I think someone was confused when they said Mt. Shasta was once called Mt. Sisson. The town was once named Sisson, and renamed to Mount Shasta, but the mountain has been known by some variant of its current name since the mid-19th century (see http://www.shastahome.com/visitors.htm and http://www.siskiyous.edu/shasta/bib/B14.htm) Gwimpey 02:15, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Images
Needs to wait for a ==History== section to be placed in this article.
[edit] Anonymous Editing
Dear Anonymous Editor (IP 209.232.215.253):
Please do not make anonymous edits, and then refuse to discuss your point of view. Please see Wikipedia:Resolving_disputes.
NorCalHistory 21:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Corrected rank in California
The previous rank was based on peakware.com, which is a very unreliable source. Look at fourteeners for the relevant other peaks (look for "California"). -- Spireguy 04:28, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Added to Cultural References
I have come across something that might be helpful to the cultural references section, so I added that.
- Forgot to sign. --RainStarDragon 00:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Climate chart
Two questions: (1) would the climate chart be more appropriate at Mount Shasta, California? The weather station in question is not on top of the mountain, after all. (2) Is the chart a copyvio? I don't think so, since most of the content is purely factual (the numbers) and the format has been changed a bit---it's not the exact same HTML. But I didn't want to move it myself before I heard other opinions. -- Spireguy 14:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Repeated removal of references by anon IP editor
NOTE: Three lengthy sections of this talk page have been moved to /Archive 1, in order to refocus this page on discussion about improving the article. Any further reference deletions or disruptive edits by that anon editor should be reported to WP:AIV, along with a link to the detailed list of the anon IP's edits at /Abuse. Thanks. --Seattle Skier (talk) 04:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
However, one should read the archive and duly note the controversy surrounding some of the edits by Seattle Skier. 75.10.53.124 01:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- If you have problems with a particular edit to the article, feel free to discuss the substance of your concerns, but please do not misrepresent others' actions. I believe the "controversy" was primarily about misleading edit summaries (whether intentional or not) in a series of anonymous edits aiming to remove certain references from the article. -- Avenue 01:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Never the less, readers should explore the controversy and form their own opinions. Canned opinions like the ones above are dangerous to individual thought. 75.10.53.124 07:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Follow-up: Seattle Skier is currently being investigated for fabricating his academic achievements and is not a viable editorial source. 63.207.227.105 18:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- Please do not make unsupported, irrelevant personal attacks. -- Spireguy 19:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
UPDATE - One of the references in the June 07 discussion has been removed again several times by another anonymous IP address. Consensus last time was that the ref should be kept, if you disagree with that please discuss it here first rather than removing it again. Eve (talk) 11:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Lemurians
"Many people clain to have encountered Lemuians on (Mt.) Shasta" needs a citation. By the way, what kinds of plants grow there? Pustelnik (talk) 02:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
