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[edit] Picture

Who exactly is the one Democrat among the two Republicans on Mount Rushmore? TR? No, Republican and then Bull Moose. Lincoln? Nope, he was the first GOP president after the collapse of the Whig party. So it must be Jefferson, right, because everyone knows Washington was nonpartisan Federalist and held office before the establishment of the two party system. Nope. Jefferson was an anti-Federalist, aka (non-GOP) Republican. So there are actually three Republicans and one Federalist on Mount Rushmore. No Democrats within sight -- yet.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.86.167.87 (talk) 14:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Hall of Records

Borglum also carved a massive chamber in an area behind Lincoln's head that he intended for storage of the US governments most precious documents (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc). His argument to congress failed, but the US Park Service placed a vault on the site with representations of those documents as a time capsule of sorts. Borglum's plans also included placing a bust of every US President in the Hall. I am new to Wiki, so I am not sure how to go about editing/adding this info to the site.ChristopherTD 01:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lock

Why is the article not locked ?? It is on the wikipedia front page ! Is this a change of policy ? Pradiptaray 03:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Someone clearly forgot, it's ridiculously irritating to say the least. Phoenix2 03:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • This page absolutely needs to be locked or it will continue to be plagued by vandals Busterblew 03:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Definitely, it just got hit again. I clicked on "More", and all I saw was the quote "I LOVE REALLY BIG PENIS" (sic). Thankfully it was fixed about 15 seconds later, but come on, a featured article not locked? Highlander3751 03:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Currently, 6:55 EST PM December ^ 2006, there's a very offensive message that I refuese to repeat under the flora and fauna section that I ask a reputable member to remove.

We don't protect today's featured article.--Chaser T 03:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Read it more carefully... we do protect the FA sometimes. --W.marsh 22:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


The entire history section was just deleted. Someone needs to fix that.

[edit] What is wrong with the MAD reference?

What makes a reference to MAD Magazine any less significant than The Simpsons, Family Guy, The Muppets, or Superman? Why don't these references get removed as well?

This is the finished edit, it was removed before I finished refining it:

On the cover of the February 1957 issue of MAD Magazine (Issue #31), the cover depicts Mount Rushmore with a fifth face as well, that of Alfred E. Neuman.[1]

The reference link takes you to a picture of the mentioned cover: Cover of Mad #31 (February 1957),

billdescoteaux 06:20, 06 December 2006 (UTC)

The point in the section above (though I'm sure the MOS has changed since it was written) is that the appearances section will balloon with examples unless limited to those where Mount Rushmore became more famous because of its appearance in the medium and Mount Rushmore's appearance was significant in the episode/issue/film/whatever. Actually, looking at this more closely, a cover on Mad Magazine probably did contribute to some of the mountain's already significant fame. I removed it because I was following the section's hidden note which says to remove an insertion if it doesn't link to an article that mentions M. R. Since it's a cover of a reasonably popular magazine, I may have been mistaken and for that I apologize. Nonetheless, some of the other examples you list should probably be removed, as they don't link to articles that mention M.R. either. I am going to do that now, but I'd appreciate it if we could stick to WP:1RR and discuss the insertion of any future appearance references before reverting over and over--this is not so much directed at billdescoteaux as it is at anyone else who may be contemplating inserting a reference.--Chaser T 06:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the recent edit. Since the cover of that MAD issue certainly meets the criteria for M.R. appearing on it quite dominantly, maybe it could be reinserted, in a bullet-form like the other items? billdescoteaux 07:06, 06 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure. We should probably change either insert a reference to Mount Rushmore in one of the articles you want to link or change the guideline (both the hidden comments and make a comment in the section in this talk page). Which do you think is the better option?--Chaser T 07:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, as stated, I've provided a reference link. I will go ahead and insert the reference in bullet form. The link is also in this discussion, just prior to your first response of my inquiry. billdescoteaux 07:24, 06 December 2006 (UTC)

The purpose of an "Appearances in Popular Culture" section is to get a sense of how the subject is viewed and understood in society, not to provide additional factual knowledge about the subject. There's nothing in the The Muppets or Alfred Hitchcock that mention Mt. Rushmore, nor do those topics tell you much more about the monument per se. The appearance of Rushmore in Cabinet magazine/Matthew Buckingham's poster [1] provides exactly the sort of cultural understanding that an appearances section is for.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Blamblamblam (talk • contribs)

I wrote the comment in the "Appearances in Popular Culture" section because it was apparent a year ago that the section is a magnet for material that violates WP:NOT. Hundreds of appearances exist. Editors naturally think that that "their" instance is WP:N. However, we should be guided by WP:CONTEXT, Wikipedia:Avoid_trivia_sections_in_articles and Wikipedia:Trivia. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 15:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Or the "leader" addition to description of Crazy Horse

My edit which added two words to the "See also" section got reverted. I added the words Lakota and "leader", since saying that the Crazy Horse Memorial is a sculpture of a Native American is not saying much for someone who didnt read the article and just browsed through to the bottom.

Further, why are asymmetric references not appreciated for Mount Rushmore ? Reverse linking is simply not plausible in some cases, especially for magazines with thousands of issues, and often important content. I personally would like to think that the MAD magazine is more visible than something like The Family Guy. Pradiptaray 06:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Cultural References

Clearly Mount Rushmore has been a big influence in the japanese anime Naruto where in Konohara (Hidden Leaf) Village, the main four leaders (Kage) have their faces carved into the living rock. This type of effect is prominent in many TV shows I think.


An aerial shot of Konoha showing the Mount Rushmore parody, Mount Hokage
An aerial shot of Konoha showing the Mount Rushmore parody, Mount Hokage
  • You're right about that; an obvious parody of Rushmore can be seen in Naruto, but some editors ditch the Naruto Rushmore reference, although the spoof is sort of notable. Blake Gripling 12:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

There is also a miniaturized version of Mount Rushmore in "the world in miniature" in Cornwall, and is also featured in the film "The Truman Show" when they use famous places to show he has visited externally to his "island". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.252.32.77 (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Another reference to Mount Rushmore is in a Dexter's Laboratory episode. In this episode, Dexter summons Washington while Mandark summons Lincoln (or vice versa). The two stone Presidential monoliths that emerge begin to fight each other. They eventually end the argument when they find that they have similar views much to the chagrin of the boy geniuses. Zuracech lordum 16:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Mount Rushmore also appears in National Treasure 2 where it is the location of the lost city of gold named Cibolla. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trybalnet06 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

What is an encyclopedic reference? I saw a plastic pyramid on a desk, should I mention it on Pyramid? (SEWilco 03:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC))

In the universe of the Ben 10 franchise, Mount Rushmore is the location of the main Plumbers (a sort of intergalactic police force) complex. DanMat6288 (talk) 16:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Racial Slur in Article

Black people are reffered to as animals as well as niggers in this article. this is highly inappropriate and offensive.

Its been dealt with. Gdo01 21:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
It was an act of vandalism. Such things happen from time to time, though as the front-page feature this article should have been locked today to prevent such meddling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.232.225.165 (talk) 01:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] The Simpsons' Reference?

Lame Deer said the staff formed a symbolic shroud over the presidents' faces "which shall remain dirty until the treaties concerning the Black Hills are fulfilled." I remember an episode of The Simpsons with a statue that looks like the one with mount Rushmore, and it had a tree grow out of it's eye brow. Is it a reference to the staff? Lightblade 10:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Why was my appearances in popular culture addition, deleted? I wrote about Courage the Cowardly Dog and Dexter's Lab68.48.141.3 00:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Most likely, they did not satisfy Wikipedia policies and guidelines in the judgement of the editor that removed them. Please see WP:N, WP:NOT, WP:TRIVIA and WP:V, for example. Please see "What is wrong with the MAD reference?" above. You might have better results contributing to another section of the article. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appearances

I have again removed almost every "appearance in popular culture" instance from the respective article section that doesn't link to an article that mentions Mount Rushmore in some way. As Walter Siegmund said above, hundreds of appearances in pop culture exist. Linking to everyone is not helpful to increase someone's understanding of Mount Rushmore (which is why I'd presume they are reading the article) when the next article makes no mention of Mount Rushmore. By contrast, when readers go to Deep Purple in Rock, for instance, the album cover there makes very clear the impact and cultural significance of Mount Rushmore, thereby informing the reader.

The one link I didn't remove is to the MAD TV issue, since there is an external link directly to a large image of the magazine cover and since Alfred E. Neuman is an extremely well-known face. This seems like a suitable exception.--Chaser T 04:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

What I'm going to say is a long strech, but I recommend just making a whole new seperate article called "Mount Rushmore's appearences and impact on popular culture and link it on this article. Then there wouldn't have to be a debate on which appearances are more important. If anyone thinks this is a good or bad idea, just respond. Thanks 68.34.239.31 06:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a bad idea because it will simply invite the creation of a bigger list of trivia.--Chaser T 07:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

How about adding the Mount Carlmore reference in the Simpsons episode Half-Decent_Proposal? Cmdr Adeon 17:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Whats wrong with the reference to PnT Bullshit Show Episode ENTITLED Mount Rushmore about the ORIGINS OF MOUNT RUSHMORE. I guess because the show didn't mention Mt. Rushmore enough?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.82.93 (talk) 22:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Would the Plumber complex under Mount Rushmore on Ben 10 qualify? Rushmore has played a key role in multiple episodes of the series, including "Secrets," "Truth", the "Ben 10,000" episodes, and "Ben 10 vs. The Negative 10." DanMat6288 (talk) 14:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mt. Rushmore Workers

Is there a list of names of the men who helped construct Mt. Rushmore? In particular, I am wondering if any of them are still with us.--Brianmccollum 04:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

See here - it's a MS Word document from the National Park Service listing the worker's names. — Zaui (talk) 18:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs Verifiability

Shouldn't "Borglum, was not a member of the Ku Klux Klan, as has been reported in many books and articles, and he had difficulties with the people who hired him to do the work in Georgia. Borglum learned of their Klan affiliation and ended his work with them. They were very angry with him for quitting and wanted him to stay to finish his contracted project but he refused. They tried to arrest him, he also became angry, and ended up destroying his sculptures, and left the state never to return." have a reference? Scottedwards2000 18:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why not completed?

We have an image with caption "A model at the site depicting Mount Rushmore's intended final design". Why was the monument not completed? --P3d0 16:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

  • As it says in the history section: "insufficient funding forced the carving to end.[7] Originally, it was planned that the figures would be carved from head to waist" --W.marsh 19:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Original Intention

I'm not american but what about this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=15sawR6t4b8&feature=related

seems like the monument was meant in some other way... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.64.149.120 (talk) 03:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] pic

I think the pic of Air Force One Jet flying over mt Rushmore don't belong. Can someone fix it?The Legend of G (talk) 02:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted picture of the model

Can someone inform me why the photo of the model of the originally-planned design was deleted? I received explicit permission from the author of the photo to upload it onto Wikipedia and use it within this article. It would have been nice if someone had...you know...actually *ASKED* me to update the licensing information before deleting it. I would have been more than happy to do it, of course.

It's too bad because I felt that it was one of the more encyclopedic and interesting photos within this article. Great job on improving the quality of the article... -- mcshadypl TC 04:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I found a picture of a model on commons and added it to the article. — Zaui (talk) 22:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] intro

the intro says it attracts 2 mil a year, the link given doesnt say anything about how many people visit. In the info box it gives a figure from 2006 that is closer to 3 mil. Does no one check the sources given on this site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.172.58 (talk) 15:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Repeated statement

"The carving started in 1927, and ended in 1941 with a few injuries but no deaths"

"Notably for a project of such size, no workers died during the carving"

Exact same thing, mentioned twice. Delete one of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.200.205.43 (talk) 20:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] North by Northwest

How can you have an entry on this mountain without mentioning this? It's one of the most famous Hitchcock scenes. I understand why you might not want to mention its appearance in Team America etc, but Hitchcock is significant here. --MacRusgail (talk) 11:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Before the carving

How about adding a photograph of the mountain taken before the sculpting began. Such a photgraph would be well over 70 years old and probably no longer copyrighted. Jimknut (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

location;pennington county,south dakota. nearest city;keystone,south dakota established;march 3,1995 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.164.233.114 (talk) 18:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In alternate or future history / fiction

What movies have had Mount Rushmore altered with one or more future presidents? I seem to remember a black woman was added in some movie set in the year 2050 or something. 68.0.119.139 (talk) 18:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking Sharon Stone, or maybe Raquel "Rocky" Welch. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I have created Mount Rushmore in popular culture to address these kinds of things. bd2412 T 19:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)