Talk:Mount Damavand

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[edit] Damavand in Afghanistan?

Isn't there a mount in Afghanistan also named Damavand?

[edit] First ascent

Data on first ascent needs referencing. Abjad 21:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Still needs referencing:

Damāvand was climbed by Iranians thousands of years ago, by shepherds and such.

I believe you. Is there evidence? Haakondahl 13:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elevation

In most records the elevation of Mount Damavand is 5671m, if you serch "Damavand 5671" you will see hundreds of thoes. I give you some examples: http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=17099 http://www.summitpost.org/image/326701//damavand-5671m.html http://www.hommes-et-montagnes.fr/pages/voyage-iran-monts-elbourz-et-ascension-du-damavand-(5671m).htm http://www.mountain-bookshop.de/de/dept_978.html http://alpinum.at/viewtopic.php?t=1687 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/toulaho/damavand/damavand2.htm http://www.zone-2000.net/arhiv/05/240damav/doc11.htm http://pagesperso-orange.fr/toulaho/damavand/damavand2.htm http://alpinum.at/viewtopic.php?t=1687 http://www.diamir.de/reseller.php? .... Do you need moor facts to beleive that the Damavand elevation is more than 5610 m ?!

Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.198.61.94 (talk) 09:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Damavand is not higher than 5610m and that's all there is to it. 5671m is on websites that copy the traditional elevation, based on older measurement. The primary sources, official Iranian, a 2007 GPS measurement by a very experienced GPS user, and SRTM data all agree that 5610m is more accurate. See the footnote at Mount Damavand. Viewfinder (talk) 19:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

-Usualy the facts and figures by Statistical Centre of Iran is not so accurat and relaiable.

-Your extrnal link1 is broken ,if you mean this Mt.Damavand GPS measurement link [1], it does state that Damavand elevation could be up to 5660m which is much higher than 5610m and it is not a copy of the traditional elevation, but the latest measurement 31 Aug 2007 .

-We better believe on more accurate and relaiable sourses like NASA[2] , which indicates the elevation of Mt.Damavand is 5670m.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.198.52.186 (talk) 11:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

It is not so fair to use the expression like "The most frequently given elevation on the web, 5,671 m, is definitely wrong" in the footnotes [3] , it sounds that you would like to dictate your words to wikipedia , and by deleting others posts it means you do not like to listen to any other views !! I believe that we should have the right to answer your post in any page you comment about Mount Damavand Elevation, otherwise it looks like a censorship media and not the Wikipedia ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.198.52.124 (talk) 15:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I have deleted the copy of the above comments that was added to the main article. The right place to discuss the elevation is here. I would rather trust what appears to be an official Iranian information site, which is probably based on an accurate and up to date measurement by the Iranian national survey, than trust web sites that simply copy the older elevation. Neither of the external links are broken. From the first, click on GPS Landmarks. When I created the link, it stated only the 5626m GPS reading. The 5645m reading was added subsequently. The 5671m is not based on any GPS reading. The second link is to a report by a hiker who has used GPS to measure hundreds of mountains around the world. This report supports 5623m (5612m when adjusted to the Caspian Sea reference point) and clearly discredits 5671m. Finally, 5671m is incompatible with NASA SRTM data, where the highest three arc second cell is less than 5600 metres. This is not consistent with a high point of significantly more than 5610m, and definitely not consistent with 5671m.

Therefore, my sources are primary sources, containing information based on modern measurements. The websites that support 5671m are copying each other and the older elevation. There is no evidence that they are based on any up to date primary source or accurate measurement. Viewfinder (talk) 18:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, if you search on "Ulugh Muztagh 7723" you will get many hits, even though Ulugh Muztagh was accurately measured in 1985. Viewfinder (talk) 19:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)