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Contents 1 Box office 2 "Modern classic"? 3 La Traviata? 4 Voices 5 songs 6 the real moulin rouge 7 summary etc 8 oscar snub 9 naming songs 10 Christian = English? 11 The Phantom of the Opera 12 Kidman casting 13 ! 14 Had to make room for Star Wars II?

[edit] Box office

[edit] "Modern classic"?

Over the past few years, the film has gotten more credit from previous naysayers and is widely regarded as a modern classic

Maybe a few critics regard it as a classic, but "widely"? That doesn't sound right. --Funkmistress 20:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

What was the box office draw, internationally, in UK, in Australia, in America? Dvd sales? Rating overall for its year?

Locally, our nespapers issued very unfavorable reviews on this film (with which I concur). 71.125.239.50 21:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

This is important, the entire entry is written as if this was a US film, it is Australian. we can't talk about overseas box office, particularly in respect to Australia, when it is an Australian film! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew.henty (talk • contribs) 21:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] La Traviata?

Surely it is more based off La Traviata than the other opera? I mean, the bit where he throws the money out of her really clinches it. Perhaps La Traviata (etc) should be mentioned first and not as an afterthought. And I don't see the connection to the story of Orpheus. (Who goes down into the underworld to reclaim his bride, but looks back while leaving, thus she is stuck there, then he gets torn apart...you see where I am going with this)

- The Orpheus motive, in literature, is about losing a beloved twice. Christian first loses Satine when she breaks up with him to save his life, then when he 'reclaims' her during the finale, she dies, and thus he loses her again. Lunapuella 06:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

- A particular thing, by the way, that marks it as at least Orpheus-inspired is the fact that he (Christian) "looks back" and then she dies. It's kind of a stretch, but this wasn't my idea - some professor said this when I was at a Latin convention a few years ago; it was his big example of an Orpheus story. Evanbro 06:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Voices

I believe it should be made clear that Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman, while really singing, were digitally adjusted later to be on tune.

Can you verify that? -User:Branddobbe

Possibly this could be put into context; force pitching is quite a common occurence these days, even amongst recognised musical artists. User: Jack Parlabane

[edit] songs

We need a comprehensive list of modern songs included in the movie. Zephyrprince 05:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

...can anyone tell me the piece of music and its composer that "spectacular, spectacular" is written over? That sort of information would be very helpful. I can see there's a little effort in that direction. More. twarner@richmond.com

It's Galop infernal, from Jacques Offenbach's opera Orpheus in the Underworld.  RasputinAXP  _{talk contribs} 13:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] the real moulin rouge

The modern photo of the real Moulin Rouge is inappropriate insofar as the movie was shot entirely using stylised sets and model buildings. Lee M 11:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

i agree, i'll remove it. i think the same goes for the sentence about other films of the same name. the disambiguation page covers that.

[edit] summary etc

The initial description and plot summary dosen't flow well literally, could usea little touching up. But good detail in the listings.

[edit] oscar snub

I always read that the "snub" for Oscar/Best Original Song wasn't really a snub, because none of the songs in Moulin Rouge! were original songs - they were all derivative of previously published songs. Vesperholly 07:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

That's not entirely true, there were some songs like 'meet me in the red room', 'fool to believe' and others that were made just for the movie but not featured at length. The most notable example is Come What May which was original and created specifically for the movie. 82.28.230.146 18:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The issue with "Come What May" was that it was originally written for Lurhman's Romeo + Juliet but was never used. It was first heard in Moulin Rouge!, but because it wasn't written for the movie, it couldn't be nominated for an Oscar. — warpedmirror (talk) 22:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] naming songs

I could not help but notice that many of the songs listed are inaccurately named, especially when compared with their counterparts on the soundtrack listing directly below. I do not know each of the actual musicians behind each of the songs, but I thought it should be fixed. Also, it would be nice if the listing of songs was cleaned up to be a bit less confusing. --66.213.247.235 05:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christian = English?

The article says christian is English. is this just someone using British and English interchangeably? i don't have a copy of the film, but i'm sure that he speaks with a scottish accent - and his father in the flashback certainly has a very broad scots accent. anyone know for sure? User: amoammo

Well, I'm sure he's scottish.

Ewan McGregor is Scottish, which accounts for the accent; Christian the character is English as in British.

I haven't seen the film recently, but does it explicitly state that he is English? If it doesn't then we can't say he is English, or Scottish etc and should stick to British. Andrewjd 18:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Ewan McGregor is a Scot, so it should say British (to be accurate) no English or Scottish!! Gaia Octavia Agrippa 17:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The actor's nationality is superfluous; he used a different accent in the film than his normal one. María (críticame) 19:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• His accent wasn't English in the film, though. It was Scottish although the other characters referred to him as 'English'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.33.33.183 (talk) 20:06, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Per Andrew, the only thing that is firmly established is that he's British. The nationality shouldn't be given. Carl.bunderson 19:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Phantom of the Opera

Is it just me or are the plots of Moulin Rouge and The Phantom of the Opera oddly similar? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.60.60.207 (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Its REALLY just you.

[edit] Kidman casting

Kidman says in the DVD extras that she wanted the part only after she heard who was directing it (likely because of her other comments of being apprehensive about singing on camera). It says 'citation needed' so that's where she's said it on record. NorrYtt (talk) 15:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit]  !

Does anybody know the ! is used in the title but not on the DVD release? Lukeyboyuk (talk) 01:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Had to make room for Star Wars II?

Can that be right? Wasn't Star Wars II still a screenplay in 1999?VatoFirme (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)