Talk:Motif (widget toolkit)

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[edit] Peer review of a related article

I submitted X Window core protocol for peer review, as I intend to candidate it for featured status. I would appreciate comments (Peer review page). - Liberatore(T) 18:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] "Competitor to Microsoft"

Microsoft actually collaborated on the Motif look-n-feel, so I removed that line. 64.171.162.77 11:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "IEEE 1295" ?

Do a Google search for IEEE 1295 and it's obvious that it's well-known to be the industry standard definition for Motif. It's even listed as such on The Open Group's Motif page.

...well-known to everyone but IEEE, that is. How come I can't find it in the IEEE standards listings?

I know this is complicated by the fact that IEEE considers its standards specs to be proprietary, so they aren't freely available on the web, but if you browse their standards list by number, there is nothing in between 1293 and 1296.

I found a little more info on what appears to be a copy of an older Sun documentation page :

The Motif 1.2 standard, IEEE Std 1295, is entitled Standard for Information Technology--X Window System Graphical User Interface--Modular Toolkit Environment.

...but a search on the IEEE store using the various terms in that title also turns up nothing.

Does anyone know the story? Was this a standard, a proposed standard, a draft standard? Was it ever finalized? If so, when and why did it disappear?

Pending any confirmation, I've fact-tagged this in the article. (No, I don't consider the Open Group's mention of it to be a valid cite, if one can't find out anything about the standard from the issuing standards organization.)--NapoliRoma 18:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I've now been digging around: hindered by IEEE's refusal to let the general public see most of the content of their website, but helped by the fact that they seem to have let Google index large chunks of it! As a consequence, you can read bits of the full-text, but only two lines at a time...
Anyway... There's enough floating around to make me fairly sure that there was an IEEE standard 1295-1993, whether or not it's still current or being sold. The following search seems to confirm from their own website that the standard existed: [1]
... and if you go here: [2] and drill down to 4.9.5.1.1, you can see "IEEE Std 1295-1993 {127}" listed as a section heading in a chapter on POSIX standards for Windowing Systems Services.
I will happily accept that none of this is citeable, but coupled with the cite you found from Sun, I think it's sufficient to make a presumption that the standard did, in fact, exist in some form. What do you think? Tom Harris (talk) 21:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
That's about as far as I got last July: there clearly was something called IEEE 1295 related to Motif, but what its status is today is unclear. The material you and I have found strongly implies it once was a standard but at some point (after 1995?) was withdrawn. But I can't find an explicit reference for this—thus the tag.
The article as it stands appears to be either incorrect or incomplete. It should either mention that the standard was withdrawn, or maybe it should just say exactly what we know, which is that it appears to be withdrawn, and leave the tag in place.--NapoliRoma (talk) 01:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I posted this question to comp.org.ieee and someone replied with the following information:
I'm not sure it was ever an "IEEE STANDARD" proper. What I found was some references to IEEE MTE 1295. The MTE is apparently Modular Toolkit Environment which didn't spec Motif but instead used motif to describe what they wanted. At any rate the most informative information I found was here:
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I hope that this helps to get more information about this.--68.164.14.33 (talk) 05:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)