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[edit] "Heavy rock"

Everytime I come to this page I see "heavy rock" up at the top and "heavy metal" in the first sentence. The difference is grating. Can someone please make them match, especially since "heavy rock" isn't really a genre? Please make them both say "heavy metal." That would be organized. Sorry to be anal but would be appreciated. --Tim010987 Tim010987 4:09 PM, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Punk rock

I wanted to strongly suggest the possibility of incorporating punk into the genres, since Lemmy often identifies with it just as much, if not more so, than metal. Surely this means something? Punk77 has a Motorhead page. The Damned, Ramones, Sex Pistols, Plasmatics etc all included Lemmy and Motorhead in the punk scene. I think they have just as much metal sound as they do punk (punk isn't always Anti-Flag, so I think many people get confused). I hink there might be a POV error with several metal fans not liking punk, so consequently they don't want Motorhead to be classified as such. All my friends and I dig Motorhead and we're into punk, and not a lot of metal (Yes not a source, but I'm just saying). Enough people have mentioned this already, so there has to be some meaning behind it... --Tim010987 Tim010987 12:29 AM, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Lemmy does identify with to some extent - he identifies his music (and consequently the band's) as roll and roll though, though they do/did, as stated in the article, attract fans from the punk scene. Similar to the issue with NWOBHM being included, if there is reliable sourced information to support this that can be included to improve the article then I would more inclined to add it in. At this moment in time, neither punk nor NWOBHM are discussed in direct relation to the band's genre.--Alf melmac 07:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lineups

There is now a template for this, using Burridge's numbering. I've added it to the discography article and replaced the raw mark up in this article. It may also serve on other sub pages when they are written.--Alf melmac 15:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Motorhead featured article, coming soon ;)

This is a very good article in en wiki, about music (& rock, metal). I think that article coming soon "arrive" to Featured article candidates. good job Alf ^_^ --Xsamurai 12:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Why thanks, some of it's driving me nuts, but hey, they're worth it. It will need a lot of polish and there's still a decade missing before we even start looking towards a featured article though, one day.... --Alf melmac 12:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
the works are finished, true? [Xsamurai] 5.54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
The history section at least doesn't have any years missing, there might still be some interesting info missing to be found and put in there though. I believe Bubba is looking at sources for at Critical, Influence and Tribute sources now.--Alf melmac 09:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

This article need pictures. I know photos of the band in action at various dates are going to be a long call, but it should be possible to get hold of a poster or flyer for the first gig, Burridge reproduces one in the Illustrated Guide for example - it looks like a b&w repro of a colour flyer, and I still haven't knackered my Bomber, Ace of Spades and 1916 'picture booklets' but they'll be tricky to fit into the text space without some juggling, and the 1916 album was not 'toured' as such and therefore wouldn't fit naturally in the text - bah! I'm really desirous of the 86 Monsters of Rock poster though, which I never went to :( If there is anyone willing to scan/photo hand flyers/posters/adverts for the original albums they'd at least make it less text dense. Thanks--Alf melmac 13:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)strikeout 18.03.07 - done

I'll try and scan the ones from the Rock 'n' Roll booklet. Btw., nice rewrite mate! Roda 16:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Most excellent, thanks for that and for picking up on Todd Youth, that was me :s - Bubba is the one with the finese, I jump dust the data ;) --Alf melmac 17:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

...and for picking up on the other Todd-related error, too! The more people reading through this, the better, I think, because I missed that one as well! Cheers, Roda. :) Bubba hotep 19:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey all, I've had a bunch of pretty decent pictures of Motorhead so I've fixed the need to update the page with some. They are all my own work hence no problems as far as licencing goes :) Hope ya'll likes MarkMarek 02:50, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

They're bloody marvellous, thanks Mark :) --Alf melmac 07:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Glad you like, Alf. I've got plenty more, many bands, I will be contributing bit by bit ;) MarkMarek 19:03, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a comment from an innocent bystander who has no previous affiliation with Alf or the Motorhead project :D. I just wanted to say A) the images are an nice addition.. thank you... and B) If Brooke, Margaret, Ivana or Wanda suddenly join the band as second guitarists... feel free to add their images as well :D . 142.167.75.132 19:26, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
*the picture at the very begining of the page should be changed you can not realy see the band members to well

Grandoldman (talk) 15:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)*

[edit] Things to do on a rainy day

I noticed Bubba adding some information about Petagno's cover art from the Inferno 30th Anniv. DVD interview into Rock 'n' Roll. It would be nice to do this for all those covers he gives an insight into. A summary of it could be then done for the cover art section of this article. I took the liberty, as I used on Orgasmatron to change the reference to: <ref>''About Joe Petagno'' - interview section with [[Joe Petagno]], bonus DVD with ''[[Inferno (album)#30th Anniversary DVD content|Inferno 30th Anniversary edition]]'' SPV69748.</ref> I'm pasting that here so it can be changed if needs be and easily found when needed.--Alf melmac 00:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to Bubba who has been working on this today.--Alf melmac 20:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
It is both a joy and a penance – not going to be around much during daylight hours for the next few days! Plus, it has been a day of many weathers; rain, sleet, hail. You name it! Bubba hotep 21:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

All those book sources cited need to be split up into individual cites which cite individual book pages. LuciferMorgan 09:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree on that one, the compacted references are fine, relevant page numbers are easy enough to find. I'd rather see the labour go elsewhere at the moment.--Alf melmac 23:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, though if you want to get this article featured that's what'll have to happen. LuciferMorgan 10:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Is the process is being even more obnoxious than normal? It wasn't a problem for another article I helped through FA shrugs --Alf melmac 11:05, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately that's the case - if you need help doing the work give me a bell since I own "White Line Fever" and could help. LuciferMorgan 20:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Well if you're ever at a loose end and you're sure it would be time well spent, be my guest! As a by product it would be good to make sure I didn't duff any up, I have been known to make the odd slip  :s --Alf melmac 12:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
It would be time well spent. I'll see if I can find time, but the book's always worth going over again after the first read. LuciferMorgan 15:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review and later featured article?

Hi guys, when a very good "peer review" of this nice article?? When?? --[X-S] 19:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Alf melmac 13:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lemmy's dislike of heavy metal genre label

The articles does make mention of this, but then for the rest of the article totally ignores what Lemmy has stated and just calls them metal over and over. I think we should give his stance a shot and review this...

From an interview[1]:

Jeb: Do you have a problem with Motorhead being called a Metal band?
Lemmy: I do because I come from way before Metal. I’m playing Rock n’ Roll and I think Rock n’ Roll should be sacred – it is to me. I don’t see why it should not be for everybody else.
Jeb: Motorhead was the first hard rock band that the punks could like.
Lemmy: We kind of bridged the gap. Let’s face it, the only reason we were called Heavy Metal is because we had long hair. If it wasn’t for the long hair, we would be in the punk rack. I always thought we had more in common with The Damned than we did with Judas Priest.

He has a good point with the last comment, for example, if you compare Ace of Spades to the Damned's Love Song they are not a million miles apart. Far more closely related than something such as Priest. There are also some sites on the original punk movement[2] which count Motorhead amonst those bands.[3] - Deathrocker 09:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Public perception see them as heavy metal, they are mentioned twice in our article on heavy metal and not once in hard rock. Though I understand Lemmy's point, people will want to put them 'into a bag' - the bags that have repeatedly been stated as having them are heavy rock, heavy metal (with a bit of boogie and/or punk) and NWOBHM. We have stated that Lemmy doesn't like it, what more could we do when the cites refer to them as "the foremost heavy metal band" and such?--Alf melmac 10:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that "hard rock" label isn't quite suitable. Most heavy metal bands have hard rock songs as well, but it doesn't make them hard rock bands. In other words, heavy metal band is automatically a hard rock band as well, and there's no need to mention this yet another time. Or give me any reason why Motorhead is constantly being labelled "hard rock".—Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.234.180 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 24 April 2007

well, not all of their songs are heavy metal. And not all metal artists play hard rock too. Slayer, for instance, playes only metal and not hard rock. Or jimmy hindrix, who played hard rock but not metal. Some of motorhead's songs, like overkill, iron fist, we are the road crew, ect, are clearly heavy metal. However, some of there songs, such as born to raise hell and the chase is better than the catch, clearly fit more in to the hard rock genre than heavy metal.
Captanpluto123 22:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
SOME is the key word here. Actually, labelling a band as both heavy metal and hard rock is suitable only when they are balancing on the border of both genres, like e.g. Guns N'Roses or Scorpions, Krokus or Deep Purple do. Also, there is some reason in following the same criteria that were used for other bands. Why isn't Manowar labelled hard rock despite the fact that they've produced alot (and far, far more than Motorhead did) of rather "soft", ballad-esque, non-metal songs? Same for lots of other bands, like e.g. Iron Maiden. (Okay, this all up to this very moment is IMHO, but nevertheless.)
Finally, a verifiable and competent source, metal-archives.com, doesn't say anything about Motorhead being hard rock, and there are no actual causes to doubt the competence of ole' experienced metalheads :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.76.91.194 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 9 July 2007

[edit] Query

Re the comment of having 'sold 16 million albums in the US alone': have we proof? They have no albums certified Gold by the RIAA, let alone Platinum.

I think the paragraph on Motorheadache should be moved to its own page, myself, with just a mention in passing on this main page.

Cheers, Al—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.218.29 (talk • contribs) 3 June 2007

Indeed as is highlited in the "Bronze and silver" section (what a clever title, genius who thought of that :p) they have as yet to break past silver. The sales figures have been in and out fair frequently and has consistently been removed as no-one has been able to be cite it, at present it is not in the article. The paragraph on Motorheadache was overlong but was trimmed some time back. I'm not sure there's enough about for a fair page (in respect of giving equal treatment to) of Motorhead tribute bands, but I won't stop anyone who wants to give it a go.--Alf melmac 06:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Al again. I think we may conclude, by searching on the RIAA official site, that the band has no Gold or Platinum albums in the US. Furthermore, the 'Top Selling Artists' list starts at 10.25m and doesn't feature the band.

Re Motorheadache, it wasn't that I was championing giving them their own page, more that I thought it was unneccessary to devote so much space to them on Motörhead's page...

Cheerio.

[edit] 04-08

The Motorhead articles are featured articles in it.wiki and sq.wiki. And when this article in en wiki in FA? Can I trust this thing in a next future? X-S—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 79.9.7.88 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 4 August 2007.

The FA process on en-wiki is not something I'm enamoured by at this moment but now there is a Motörhead project, that is more likely now. At the moment we are discussing whether the page has too much minor info in respect of tracking which tours etc. I think there's still some way to go on the 'how they've impacted culture' areas too, but that's a fairly easy matter of choosing and balancing up the cites on that. Also, check out the new Motörhead Portal.--Alf melmac 06:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] World volume record

Officially, if memory serves, this stands at 130.1 decibels and is held by ManOWar. However, I was told by a sound engineer who worked at the Cornwall Coliseum (near St. Austell) that Motorhead once made an attempt at the world record when playing there, sometime in the early 80's, and peaked at 134 decibels.

Apparently Lemmy was appalled by the physical consequences of this (some people's ears were bleeding apparently) and refused to play as loud again.

Can anyone confirm this?

- Meltingpot

Meltingpot 12:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is not an encyclopedia article...

...but it is fucking brilliant. Don't change it - FA means fuck all! LessHeard vanU 22:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I lost any/all respect for the FA process when Paul McCartney lost out because it had too many references???(one of the absolute LOW' points in Wiki's entire history) The upper echelon of anal Wikidom would never allow Motorhead to get FA status because if it moved in next door to all the other Featured Articles... all of their lawns would die. 142.167.75.132 22:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On Parole album => snaggletooth

According to the article 4 albums don't feature a variation of Snaggletooth on the cover, 1 of them being On Parole. However I own this album with the cover looking like this: http://www.muzika.hr/images/Rubrika_11/20060601_motorhead234.jpg, wich is the latest edition of the album as far as I'm aware of. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fod (talk • contribs) 18:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Originally it didn't have Snaggletooth. Roda 18:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Punk metal

Why has punk metal been removed. They are clearly punk metal as the are the ones that helped to expand the genre, therefore I will re-add the genre. Thundermaster367 10:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I cannot find a reliable source to verify that they are classified as punk metal, if you are able to supply such, I'd be happy to leave it standing.--Alf melmac 11:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I've looked through my resources and can't find any mention of Motorhead being a punk metal band (let alone find any mention of punk metal period) It may be listed on some online amateur webzine or fansite... but since they don't pass WP:RS I haven't browsed any of them to see if it originates from any of them. The Wikipedia Punk metal article itself is one of those "fairy-tale" genre articles that is abound with pov and original research. If punk metal were to be removed from this article I wouldn't protest and I doubt too many other editors would either 156.34.223.225 11:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Lol! Punk metal? What a douche... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.143.101 (talk) 13:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Article

Great job everyone. Thanks to each and every one of you for such a fantastic work on this article. MarkMarek 19:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the excellent wiki-safe pictures! – B.hotep u/t• 19:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Heartily seconded :) Bubba ad astra.--Alf melmac 19:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
very very compliments, and now they are three ;) X-SAMURAI

[edit] NWOBHM has been removed

I'm adding back NWOBHM as it clearly a good term for MH. Does anyone object? ThundermasterTRUC 15:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC) 10:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is not supported anywhere in the text and so isn't cited, you have a cite to use for it? See also my comment on Template talk:Infobox Musical artist.--Alf melmac 10:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I believe it might be a good "term" for Motorhead. But the field is a genre field and NWOBHM isn't a genre. It's a description of an "era of emergence" for heavy metal bands of British origin. The genre is heavy metal. (actually the Rock 'genre' done in a heavy metal 'style'... but I won't get picky :D ) 156.34.208.51 (talk) 11:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Isn't the NWOBHM a genre with elements of classic metal and punk rock? Thanks for reading, ThundermasterTRUC 15:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
NWOBHM isn't a genre at all. There is as yet, no information at all about NWOBHM in the article because in all the research I and Bubba did to get this article to FA, did we find any reliable sources to say anything about Motorhead being part of the NWOBHM. It's a common label used by various commentators, and only as a label - none of which have said anything useful about their part in it.--Alf melmac 07:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)