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i have one question about arab population increases in iraq despite the war despite the fac that millions of peoples left iraq every arab city seems to have a population growth of 10% mosul had 1,75 milions in 2002 , and now six years later it has grown to 2,8 millions this 130.000 per year or 7% but how is it possible if people actually flee the city over 200.000 people have fled the city there is no immigration to the city worth of talking of but according to wikipedia mossul and baghdad have doubled their population two of the wars wortst affected cities —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.184.74.135 (talk) 07:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Headline text

Here is a picture of the Saddam mosque in Mosul... I believe. gren 08:35, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Harmony for Centuries

This city is indicative of the mingling ethnic and religious cultures of Iraq, where people lived in harmony for centuries.

When? When did the people of Iraq live in harmony for centuries? To my knowledge, there has not in the last three thousand years ever been so much as a single decade without some kind of war in the region, usually war among the various peoples living there, although occasionally they have banded together against people from a neighboring region (e.g., the Persians) for a short time, or against an invading foreign power (e.g., Rome). When a native speaker of English uses a phrase like "lived in harmony", this isn't exactly the sort of thing that comes to mind. --Jonadab, 2007 Oct 05

[edit] Current land war

I just took a shot at putting in some notes about the current situation: I'd suggest that it is a land war between Kurds, allied to the U.S., and the Sunni Arabs, and that both sides can be presented sympathetically (and I tried to do so). It would be great if someone could turn these notes into better encyclopediac quality writing, but I decided to follow the suggestion (is it "be bold"?) and insert material where it is obviously needed, as a starting point. Alrivet

I agree with you regarding the quality of these notes, but I have to say this, the people in mosul city are NOT fighting, I am a Muslim Arab and I have lots of friends of the Kurdish ethnic group and lots of friends of the Christian faith, we all live in great harmony now and before, the actions of some few deviated minds don't count for the whole population. I have to say that the radical minds (including Saddam's loyalists), the militiary and the political games (including the Kurdish parties) are the main reasons for increasing friction and troubles among us. I wonder and I don't understand why would someone put these notes ,that tells about a very short period of time in history, in an encyclopedic article about a city that has a history of 8000 years ?!. Prince-of-Mosul

Using Irish Anti-war.org as a source for two paragraphs of pure opinion is not acceptable. Nayt1 02:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)nayt1

[edit] Category: Assyria

I would like to know why the category Assyria is allowed while category Kurdistan is being removed? Is there exact boundaries for Assyria? As far as I remember that's the main reason given for removing the Kurdistan category. Heja Helweda 22:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't know very much about Kurdistan, but while Assyria's boundaries shifted a bit over time (as with most ancient nations), I'm pretty sure the capital (any time they were sufficiently independent to have a capital) was always at Nineveh. That's well established common knowledge among ancient history buffs, unless I am greatly mistaken. So category Assyria is correct here. Regarding category Kurdistan, I don't know, ask the person who removed it, or someone who is an expert on that subject. --Jonadab, 2007 Oct 05.

Because Mosul isnt part of Kurdistan! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArabMexican (talk • contribs) 16:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Population Mosul-city

Somebody just changed the percentage of the Arab population of the city of Mosul from 80% to 60%. On which proof is this change based? Could 80.136.90.7 explain why he changed it? And was the percentage based on the census of 2002, as mentioned in the sentence before? Does the person who changed the percentage to 60% have any new information? Until further explanation I think the 80% should be seen as correct. Nightworker 22:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

It is very difficult to estimate the percentage of each ethinc group in Iraq, first because of Saddam's biased figures, and second because any census that is going to be done in the near future is even more biased due to the manipulations of different Iraqi political parties that try to sell their own agenda.

But, regarding Mosul where my ancestors lived for ages, I can say that the vast majority of Mosul are Arabs (mostly Muslims but also christians) possibly around 70%, Kurds are the second largest ethnic group, Turkomans come next. This fact has never been an issue till recent years when politicians started to play their own games inorder to gain more control and power over the city.

The language spoken in markets, Schools, University colleges and official buildings is Arabic, unless that the people who speak are all Kurdish or Turkomans.. Mosul is known for it own Arabic Dialect, and there are many families and tribes, mostly of Arabic origins who lived there for ages, everyone can distinguish individuals who are originally from Mosul city ,even if they live elsewhere in Iraq, just by reading their last names.

Due to the fact that Mosul is a big and a major city in the northern part of Iraq, lots of migrations from rural areas and nearby towns were directed toward Mosul (over a long period of time), these migrations which included different ethnic groups led to changes in the demographic and the social nature of the city.

It is true that Saddam's regime didn't allow kurds to hold properties and real-estates (which is unfair I believe) but still most of them were not originally residents of Mosul City, and he had a similar law in Baghdad, where he didn't allow anyone to buy reale-state in Baghdad unless he/she is born their no matter what ethnic group he/she are from.

Still, even if they are all allowed to own their houses and register as Kurds they wont be the Majority in Mosul in any possible way.

Also, the half of the city which resides on the west bank of the tigris river is mostly populated by Arabs, and this part of the city is the oldest and the most heavily populated, the east side where I live is controversial, even though I also believe that it is mostly Arabic, except for some neighborhoods where Kurds are the Majority in them only.

Finally, I don't always trust the US military sources due to the fact that they cooperate with Kurdish political parties and militias and rely on them heavily, while partially ignoring the Arabs in the city. And this probably is one of the reasons for the unstable security situation in Mosul.

Regards, Prince-of-Mosul


the census of 2002 is not right the iraqi government said that kurds only represent 8% of the population we have to wait for the next census but mossul is more diversed then it semms from this the majority of the population of the eastern bank of the city is kurdish arabs are only the majority of the population on the west side the census of 2002 said that only 12% of the population of kerkuk were kurds these are biased figures , and election results proved that they are wrong, they were made in order to undermine the size of the kurdish population thére are enough article about the city , from journalist , us-soldiers etc and there are historical data about the ethnic make up of the town and arabs do not represent 80% of the city population and believe me , nearly 50% of the population live on the eastern side the reason why kurds were only counted as 8% of the city population , is because kurds were not allowed to buy or sell land , that is why a lot said that they are arabs and the census counted yezidis and shabaks as nonkurds

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/KO%20News/18-9-03-kurds-buying-property-mosu.html The law back then, when Saddam Hussein's Baath Party ran things, prohibited Kurds from buying property unless they renounced their Kurdish ethnicity and declared themselves Arabs.

So thousands of Kurds solved the problem by buying property in the name of a trusted Arab friend or neighbor.

http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Iraq/041103_us_kurds_take_mosul.htm Mosul is about two-thirds Arab. Kurds are the largest ethnic minority, and the city also includes ethnic Turks http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/01/1c3b63c8-059a-46b0-bad0-9031f6115289.html It's an ethnically mixed city. There are Kurds there; they are in the eastern parts. The Arabs who live there have their own dialect. They are related in tribes that straddle the border with Syria," Said says. http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=2&p=7202&s2=15 Most of Mosul's 400,000 Kurds - nearly a quarter of the population - live on the east bank of the River Tigris. http://assyriatimes.com/engine/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3144 Nineva province is 40 percent Sunni Arab, 35 percent Kurdish, 15 percent Shiite. The remaining 10 percent is Christian and Assyrian. It is also the second most populated province, after Baghdad, and 19 parliamentary seats were up for grabs http://auto_sol.tao.ca/node/view/1375?PHPSESSID=cfb7232a47313623ff48113b13e59d0c Some 70 per cent of its population are Arabs, mostly living on the west bank of the river; the rest are Kurds, who live mostly on the east bank.


i know that these are not good figures but all are not based on arabic or kurdish sources but on neutral sources , from journalists and the us-military and they all say , that the city population is about 50%-70% and 25%-40% kurdish , and a christian and turkish community in it

that is why i wrote that the city is about 60 arabs , the rest are kurds , christians and turkmen


[edit] Anti-Kurdish POV pushing and dispute

This edit is a clear example of vandalism or at least POV pushing. The user thinks since he is from Mosul as he claims, it makes him automatically a professor of this matter or a prince of the city. He ignores authorative sources such as Encyclopedia of Britannica or Encyclopedia of Orient in the name of mistakes. My response to this guy is that: No one owns no article on wikipedia. Neither a Japanes user owns the Japanese related pages nor a Russian owns the Russian related pages. You are more than welcome to edit article of Duhok BY providing authorative sources not like here by ignoring authorative sources and coming with some random news websites etc... So until my concerns would be gone the article is disputed. Jalalarbil 16:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] too many links.

come on.... Zazaban 01:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upcoming Revision

Hello all. I am going to be making a revision to a portion of this page within the near future for a college project. I am a combat veteran and spent 10 months stationed in Mosul. I plan on revising the portions titled 'Mosul in the 20th Century' and 'Mosul after Saddam'. There are also a couple of pictures of the city itself that I took that I am planning on posting. I also intend on correcting the hint of bias that I detected in the page, for instance, the following quote is in the section 'Mosul in the 20th Century', "discovery and exploitation of oil in the area". Obviously the word 'exploitation' carries with it a negative connotation and makes the accusation that the city has improperly marketed their assets. Also, I plan on making some non-sensitive updates to the record of the U.S. military's operations in the area. The haji hunter 13:0, 5 December, 2007 (UTC)


Good deal. One thing I do know from being a civilian there myself is that east of the river is nearly 100% Kurd. They're not just the majority there, they're just about it. Of course that's maybe 30% of the city. 70.157.202.156 (talk) 20:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redlinks

There are an awful lot of redlinks in teh subsections of "Historical Places in Mosul". I'm not sure why there are so many. RJFJR (talk) 18:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The idea is that most, if not all, deserve articles, but nobody has written them yet. I'm working on one of these in userspace.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 07:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] what happened

When the americans came to Mosul soem people cooperated with them for different reasons and different ways. Some worked as translators, others made buisness with them, like working in some american agencies, or taking contracts to the benfit of the troops. These people were of different ethnic groups, some were arabs and some were kurds, some were muslims and others were christians. These people became targets for killing by the militants or the resistance, regardless of thier ethnity or religion, and i still see some kurds living and working in Mosul despite the fact. In Mosul the matter did not turn into ethnic conflict, despite relentless efforts by some to push it down this road, but probably it did in other places like telafar, and such efforts succeeded to a great extent in shaping seperate and pure ethnic and religious areas around Mosul especially in the small towns outside the city, and there is a mutual tendency among these different groups to keep thier areas "clean", like christians in karakoush and shabak in bazwaya "both areas are near to Mosul" Some tribes around Mosul especially in alhadhar "al hatra" and qayara south of Mosul have both police and army people working with the americans and others working against, and in some places you see two brothers one is a policeman and the other is a militant, and they do not kill each other. It is the tendecy of the media to show that the resistance against the americans are majorly between the muslim sunni arabs, and this is true, but not because ethnic or religious reasons, but because the dominant political parties in these areas seek cooperation with the americans to achieve control and power. Many kurds shia and christians think badly of the americans and the political parties and blame them for thier tragidies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.146.171.139 (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)