Talk:Most common words in Esperanto

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I made this since it was a requested article. I might add more later. You can play with the wordlist I used to generate this. Note, I edited the results a little, removing "l" (a form of "la") and "alicio" (the name "Alice"). --Pifactorial 19:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Interesting list, though the fact that you had to exclude "Alicio" rather indicates that the underlying texts may be a little limited! I wonder whether "arbaristo" (at #147) is a sign of the same problem, and should perhaps be excluded?
Also, I wonder if, as with Most common words in English, grammatical derivatives should be lumped in with the lemma—e.g. do si, sin, sia, sian, siaj and siajn really all need be listed separately, or would it be better to have just one entry (si) or maybe two (si, sia)? Admittedly that would take a lot more work, which may need to be done manually (attempting to automate it might end up treating ajn as the accusative plural of *a !) Vilĉjo 12:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I was going to try to create a separate list with just lemmas or roots, but I haven't had the time to create such a filter. Like you said, I think that would need to be thoroughly edited by hand to protect the particles. --Pifactorial 20:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Maybe there's a better corpus you can use? It looks like [1] is promising - my Esperanto still isn't great, so I'm not sure if you can actually download the corpus and use it for research yourself, but it'd be something to look into. Thanks for this list, though. Bamos 21:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! I'd already looked at that, but I'm yet to find a place where you can download. It seems like you can only search online (which doesn't make much sense to me). I'll try registering and investigate further. --π! 22:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I guess you could use http://www.bertilow.com/tekstaro/ . Maybe you should contact Bertilo Wennegren to complete the job... --192.87.49.2 09:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC) (LaPingvino in the Esperanto-wikipedia)

[edit] Move to Wiktionary?

Does Wiktionary have word lists? What about articles such as Most common words in English? --Pifactorial 23:36, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary states that "an entry that consists of just a definition does not belong" and "Wikipedia articles that are mere dictionary definitions should be tagged {{Move to Wiktionary}}". But this article is not a mere definition, indeed it contains no definitions at all! By analogy with Most common words in English (and also de:Liste der häufigsten Wörter der deutschen Sprache), it seems OK as a Wikipedia article. Vilĉjo 12:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiktionary

I don't mind the template being removed _after_ discussion has finished. Don't worry, it won't bite you. You should note that there are discussions however such as this as well as this. Wiktionary has a large number of lists such as Swadesh lists so I just want to make sure that we need this article here.

The other problem with this article of course, is that it is WP:NOR. That might be reason enough not to have it. If you like I'll ask Don Harlow if there have been any studies done on this already that we can reference. That might be all right. Mithridates 23:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't think that simply presenting public-domain data in a new form (except to "advance a position") constitutes original research. Otherwise, half of the graphics on Wikipedia violate WP:NOR. As for any other objections you have - feel free to do with the article as you will. I just created it because there was a request for it, and I don't have any emotional investment in its wellbeing. --Pifactorial 23:58, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Of all possible objections to this article, WP:NOR strikes me as among the least plausible. But I don't mind what criteria are applied, so long as they are consistent. Are other word lists also going to be tagged for transwikification? Vilĉjo 00:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay, well let's leave it as is for now then. There's a bit of debate on whether lists should be allowed but since there are quite a few of them already we'll let others decide. I don't have any emotional investment in this either. Mithridates 02:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] English translations

Can anyone add the English translations? -- Dissident (Talk) 16:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Heresy! --π! 19:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
;) Maybe it'd be better to add them in the talk page? I don't know if they belong in the article. You can also play around with this translator. --π! 19:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
What's with the outburst? This is the English language Wikipedia after all. -- Dissident (Talk) 20:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I think User:Pifactorial was being light-hearted (the smiley might have been a bit of a giveaway there.) Anyway, and FWIW, here is a version of the table with English translations. Feel free to do with it whatever you wish (including junking the whole thing …).
By way of comment, having the translations perhaps points up some of the peculiarities, which may have something to do with the restricted sample used for the analysis. #147 (arbaristo) is a definite oddity; and are Esperantists really so self-referential that the words lingvo (#60) and internacia (#197) figure in the top 200 words? (I'm also a little surprised that dio turns up as high as #81—higher, for example, than homo at #140.) Vilĉjo 23:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
"his/her/its/their (refl.) (acc. pl.)"
I think we now have conclusive proof that you have way too much time on your hands. Thanks for taking care of this, I completely forgot about it. --π! 22:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
1 la the
2 kaj and
3 de of, from
4 mi I
5 en in, into
6 al to
7 ne not, no
8 li he
9 estas am, are, is
10 ke that (conjunction)
11 vi you
12 por for
13 sed but
14 ŝi she
15 ĉi here, this, etc. (indicates proximity)
16 estis was
17 kun with
18 ni we
19 sur on, on to
20 kiu who, which
21 tiu that (that one)
22 ili they
23 per by, through
24 ĝi it
25 kiel as, like
26 pli more
27 el from, out of
28 da of (quantity)
29 pri about, concerning
30 unu one
31 diris said
32 tiel thus, so
33 kiam when
34 tio that (that thing)
35 mia my
36 oni one (pron.)
37 ĝin it (acc.)
38 ĉar for, because
39 jam by now, already
40 nur only
41 se if
42 sin him/her/it/them (refl.)
43 aŭ or
44 plej most
45 nun now
46 min me
47 tre very
48 povas can
49 ĉu (interrogative) "est-ce que"
50 lin him
51 post after
52 ĉiuj all, everyone
53 kiuj who, which (pl.)
54 antaŭ before
55 ankaŭ also
56 tie there
57 tute completely
58 lia his
59 eĉ even
60 lingvo language
61 ol than
62 sia his/her/its/their (refl.)
63 ankoraŭ still, yet
64 ĉe at, by
65 havas have, has
66 tamen however
67 ĝis until
68 pro because of, due to
69 dum while
70 tiam then
71 jen behold, here is/are
72 kion which (acc.)
73 tion that (that thing) (acc.)
74 tiun that (that one) (acc.)
75 tiuj those
76 kiun whom, which (acc.)
77 je (indefinite preposition)
78 sian his/her/its/their (refl.) (acc.)
79 ĉiu every, each
80 du two
81 dio god
82 sinjoro gentleman, sir, Mr
83 ja indeed
84 vin you (acc.)
85 mian my (acc.)
86 mem (one)self
87 devas must, should
88 via your
89 tuj at once
90 ilin them
91 kio what
92 ĉio everything
93 ĉiam always
94 kvazaŭ as if
95 povis could (past tense)
96 iom to some extent
97 granda big
98 estos shall be
99 poste later, afterwards
100 laŭ along, according to
101 esti to be
102 eble possibly
103 bone well
104 tial for that reason, so
105 kie where
106 denove again, from the start
107 homoj people
108 ho oh
109 tuta entire, whole
110 do so, therefore
111 tempo time
112 si he/she/it/they (refl.)
113 ŝia her (possessive)
114 vidis saw
115 respondis replied
116 tri three
117 estus would be
118 multe much, greatly
119 alia other
120 neniam never
121 scias know, knows
122 sen without
123 havis had
124 nia our
125 patro father
126 preskaŭ almost, nearly
127 vivo life
128 momento moment
129 ŝin her (acc.)
130 maro sea
131 tia that kind, such
132 fari to do, to make
133 tra through
134 fine at last, finally
135 faris did, made
136 jes yes
137 vortoj words
138 povus could (conditional)
139 longe at length, long (adv.)
140 homo person
141 voĉo voice
142 antaŭe beforehand
143 kontraŭ against
144 nek neither, nor
145 kiujn whom, which (acc. pl.)
146 inter between, among
147 arbaristo woodman, forester
148 komencis began
149 aliaj other (pl.)
150 volas want(s), wish(es)
151 jaroj years
152 sole only, alone (adv.)
153 iu some, someone
154 bona good
155 vidas see, sees
156 demandis asked
157 apud beside, near
158 ĉirkaŭ around, about
159 sub under, underneath
160 mondo world
161 reĝo king
162 nenion nothing (acc.)
163 afero matter, thing
164 lian his (acc.)
165 tago day
166 kelkaj some
167 tero earth, land
168 ia some kind
169 baldaŭ soon
170 kelke somewhat
171 jaro year
172 koro heart
173 ĉion everything (acc.)
174 okuloj eyes
175 domo house
176 siaj his/her/its/their (refl.) (pl.)
177 viro man
178 miaj my (pl.)
179 liaj his (pl.)
180 pordo door
181 unua first
182 vian your (acc.)
183 nu now then, well
184 sinjorino lady, madam, Mrs
185 pensis thought
186 venis came
187 siajn his/her/its/their (refl.) (acc. pl.)
188 kial why
189 rapide quickly
190 trovis found
191 infano child
192 subite suddenly
193 kapon head (acc.)
194 ajn any(one/thing/where etc.)
195 tutan entire, whole (acc.)
196 ĉiujn all, everyone (acc.)
197 internacia international
198 super over, above
199 kvankam although
200 plu further, more


Abbreviations: acc. accusative case; adv. adverb; pl. plural; pron. pronoun; refl. reflexive pronoun (refers to subject of clause)