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[edit] Richard Felix

I altered the article slightly to reflect todays announcement that Richard Felix has left the show (confirmed by his official website), but it has been reverted. All I did was move him from the 'current' section to the 'past' section. Any reason why we shouldn't keep the list up to date? 81.174.140.46 13:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

A huge responsibility when making such changes to articles on Wikipedia is that you, the person that is making the changes, provide a citation of some sort in the article or discuss it first on this page, again providing a link for proof. You need to be aware that vandalism is rife on Wikipedia and this article is no exception. It is very easy to misinterpret genuine edits as vandalism when they're not backed up with solid proof. Someone recently moved David Wells to the former cast, which obviously wasn't true. In reference to your edit, I apologise if you were offended by the revert, however I did so with good reason. Assuming you're referring to http://www.richardfelix.co.uk, I cannot find any reference to Richard's departure there or on any other website. Of course if you can provide a citation for this by all means I agree the list should be up-to-date. ~~ Peteb16 14:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation - no offence was taken, I was just wondering if you knew something I didn't. I'm fairly new to this wiki-malarky. The news was broke from Richards website this morning, via an email to all of their members. An announcement has been made by Richard himself in their forums. How do I go about creating an accurate citation to these pages? Where should the citation be placed? There are no citations for any other crew members saying if their past or curret so I haven't anything in this article at compare it to.81.174.140.46 14:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

For information about why citations are used and how to use them see this article: Wikipedia:Citing_sources which will explain it much better than I can here. Also if you read this page, Wikipedia:Reliable_sources, you will discover that your source comes from what Wikipedia regards as unreliable, so it's best you don't use it. If I were you I would wait until the information was published elsewhere on Richard Felix's website or another official reputable site. Hope this helps. Usually if click the Help link on the left you'll find the answer to most questions in there too. ~~ Peteb16 14:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again for the clarification. 81.174.140.46 14:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I called Richard personally to check, and also note with interest Steve Parsons has now announced his resignation on www.richardfelix.co.uk I also attempted an edit, but failed to provide proper citations, so fair enough, it has been reverted. I also forgot to log in (as I have just done again). Still if someone wants to update this, the postings in question are on www.richardfelix.co.uk under the Announcements subfora. I'll go read the citations section before I attempt an edit, to make sure I comply cj x 82.46.96.66

The problem is, and I know this is probably annoying some people - sorry about that, but forums are not reliable sources according to Wikipedia rules. I've said this until I'm blue in the face but people keep putting the forum as a reference. Phone conversations are also not valid sources. It's got to be in print in some document or other that is publically verifiable and submissions to a forum don't count. Although I don't personally believe the forums or your conversation is in anyway false or deceptive, the rules state 'The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth'. ~~ Peteb16 18:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah sorry. The forum posts in question are on Felix's own forum, and by Richard himself, so I thought they might count. I shall see if we can get an official announcement on his website. Still, it hardly matters much, as I believe there amy still be unaired episodes featuring him. 82.46.96.66

[edit] Ciaran O'Keefe's Comments

Is there anything more about the comments made by Ciaran O'Keefe regarding Derek Acorah? It seems strange that a parapsychologist would attempt to decry a psychic, criticise the pratices of Most Haunted, yet still remain a part of the show. Wouldn't this simply denigrate his credentials as a parapsychologist and a university lecturer? Moreover, why would another psychic (Gordon Smith) join the show if there is a chance their reputation could be damaged? I think the whole situation is very strange, and warrants further investigation (no pun intended).

There is obviously the possiblity that O'Keefe simply did not like or agree with Acorah's practises, but wished to remain a part of the show in an effort to find concrete evidence of paranormal activity. However, after the claims levelled at Yvette and Karl, why would he continue in such an enviroment? If the creators of the show are involved in some sort of skulduggery, which is implied in the article, surely no scienctific evidence can be garnered?

Doesn't seem to be much conversation on this topic, so I may be talking to myself here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allthesestars (talk • contribs) 23:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


I am glad Acorah is no longer on the show. The bullshit factor when he was blabbing was always very ridiculous. He took away from the show's intent of supposedly "investigating" paranormal activity. Acorah's paranormal behavior was merely paycheck behavior. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.210.136.121 (talk) 03:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Ciarán O'Keeffe was only attempting to decry Derek as a competant and, above all, honest psycic. He obviously had his doubts that Derek was a good influence to the show and so, for the sake of the show, attempted to collect as much evidence as possible that Derek was faking it before bringing it to the attention of producers. O'Keeffe's continued presence on the show is an indication that said producers recognise that what he was doing wasn't an effort to disprove the possibility that ghosts exist but to remove an element (Derek) of the show which could have destroyed any chance of the show being taken seriously if such phenomena was proved to exist. I don't believe any new psycics have anything to fear from O'Keeffe so long as they continue to do their investigations without stooping so low as to start making up lies to fill out an hours episode. So far David Wells and O'Keeffe have been on good terms and there's no reason to suggest that Ciarán has any doubts of his honesty. ~~ Peteb16 20:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Anyone with a good eye could see that Derek was lying so Ciaran actually did the show a favor. David Wells always has been the psychic between the two, If you can see nothing happens in an investigation Derek seemed to "pick" up something and get "possessed" by some unknown spirit. Believable at first but it just goes on and on which what made me stop watching the show[[User:Disneyrocks13] 10:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV in 'Production' section

The first paragraph in the Production section seems awfully POVvy to me ("truly spectacular"? "revolutionary"? "visually outstanding"?). I'm going to go ahead and snip most of it out, but if anyone can do a rewrite in a way that doesn't sound like a press release, please go ahead. Matt Eason 18:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent rewrite

I've reverted changes made to the article which had effectively rewritten the entire document without any given reason. The new article had no wikilinks, no infobox and contained POV comments. ~~ Peteb16

I think anybody that believes in most haunted need there head felt karl and his wife are fake you would be better of believing in fairies cause she is so false and she has always been let me tell you all the only spirit you will come in contact with is in a pub or god him self the other ones don't have the power to come back when you die you die and you don't ever come back cause nobody is above god you lot are like we boys and girls that never grew up you've watching to much t.v. come back to the real world and stop watching that muck.


What's this got to do with the Recent Rewrite? Fake or not, it exists as a tv show with huge popularity, to deny it a place on wiki would be daft.A.Grace 13:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yvette the psychic?

One section talks about videos that have supposedly been circulating showing the crew staging different things. One part says 'and another shows one of their "phychics", Yvette trying to move a glass.'. Yvette isn't one of the psychics, she's the presenter.--Jcvamp 01:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Series Six?

This comment was put on the article page why are the rest of series 6 been deleted?? There were 29 epsisodes, not 18!! To clear this up, I got the info to update the series locations from the Antix productions website, wich for some reason has some duplications from series five in the series six list. I did the best i could to remove the duplications. Have i missed some episodes? Can anyone clear this up? A.Grace 15:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Again, series six has been updated with the duplications!!!.A.Grace 18:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorted, series five was the problem, all should be correct now.A.Grace 19:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Derek dropped?

The article mentions that Acorah was dropped according to the daily star due to him lying, followed by someone saying it isnt true? this needs citation or deletion Adamshappy 10:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I have added comments made by Yvette Fielding in an interview with the UK Metro on October 29th 2006 [1]. This is specifically about him leaving the Most Haunted show and not "TV bosses" dropping him. In fact Derek Acorah's article says he has signed for two series of Derek Acorah's Ghost Towns with Living TV. I cannot shed any light on the Daily Star story however. Fuzzyslob 22:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Derek was NEVER fired from Most Haunted. If you guys would leave the links to BadPsychics.com up you would know this. BadPsychics.com was the WORLDS FIRST SITE to expose most haunted and Derek Acorah, in fact the Kreed Kafer debacle was exclusively written about on BadPsychics 6 months BEFORE the Mirror Article.

[edit] Cite reliable sources

I have removed a large amount of unreferenced information from this article following a complaint (OTRS ticket#2006110810008642). Please cite reliable sources for all information in this and any other article in accordance with the Verifiability policy and Reliable sources guidelines. If possible, please use the footnote syntax to clearly designate which source supports a particular piece of information. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split section Episodes and locations

The following discussion is an archived outcome of a survey for the proposition outlined below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made at the lower sections of this discussion page. No further edits should be made to this survey.

Proposal: This section should be split into a new article entitled List of Most Haunted episodes
Rationale: This section seems to dwarf the rest of the article - and it isn't getting any smaller.

[edit] Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
  • Support Peteb16 19:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Support, The list may get bigger and dwarf the article. AxG (talk) (guest book) 19:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Support — Matt Eason (Talk • Contribs) 21:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Support, separate articles would be easier to maintain. Tekiclutch
The result was a unanimous Support: The section should be split... and actually apparently was in a somewhat unconventional manor, before this survey was completed . Nevertheless, it's done. Thank you to all who who commented. ~~ Peteb16 18:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Split section Most Haunted Live

The following discussion is an archived outcome of a survey for the proposition outlined below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made at the lower sections of this discussion page. No further edits should be made to this survey.

Proposal: This section should be split into a new article entitled Most Haunted Live! along with other related information.
Rationale: Information about Most Haunted Live! is starting to dominate the article, there is also other information about the live shows scattered around the article which detracts from information about non-live shows and deters expansion of such information.

Peteb16 11:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
  • Support Peteb16 11:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Perhaps you could keep the history/summary of Most Haunted Live, and put the episodes in it's own page. I see how it's getting long. That I would support. 68.82.82.248 17:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
My proposition includes retaining the 'Most Haunted Live!' section with summary prose and a link to the main article. The main article would treat it as if it's a separate show (which it technically is). I don't agree with a seperate article for the episodes just yet. ~~ Peteb16 18:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I honestly don't think it'll be a big deal. I support. 68.82.82.248 22:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Support since it is kind of different to Most Haunter. AxG ҈ ►talk 20:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
The result was a unanimous Support: The section should be split. Thank you to all who who commented. ~~ Peteb16 15:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Most Haunted Midsomer Murders

There is going to be a new series of Most Haunted titled Most Haunted Midsomer Murders. The Team will be going to villages and other countries. I think i am going to make a discussion about it, it starts at the end of June. ~~Disneyrocks13 19:39 3 June 2007

[edit] Terminology

"The show's presenter and executive producer, Yvette Fielding said in an interview that she believes it was a fake possession[3]. A possible theory is that Derek only thinks he is getting possessed, when in all actuality he's imagining things. Other people might say the possession-of-the-day (week, for the television one-off version) made the shows more interesting."

it is worth noting that possessions are involuntary and channels are voluntary and that terminilogy should reflect this