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Contents 1 Quote 2 Trying to disambiguate Vatican 3 Mow-shay 4 Quote attributed to Moshe Dayan 5 Rabid Dog 6 Moshe Dayan - an Armenian Jew? 7 Formatting 8 Cause of Death 9 Fair use rationale for Image:Look67.jpg 10 There was no subdivision of the Ottoman Empire called 'Palestine' 11 DSO

[edit] Quote

Four years later, as Prime Minister Menachem Begin's foreign minister, he was instrumental in drawing up the Camp David Accords, a peace agreement with Egypt. Angered by Begin's policy of establishing Israeli settlements in the West Bank area, still legally part of Jordan, he resigned in 1979. In 1981 he formed a new party, Telem, which advocated unilateral disengagement from the territories occupied in the 1967 war, but he died shortly thereafter, on Oct. 16, 1981, in Tel Aviv.

The above paragraph is an exact duplicate of part of this text, which itself claims to be "Excerpted from Compton’s Interactive Encyclopedia Copyright © 1994, 1995 Compton’s NewMedia, Inc." Is this article original material that we can legally use here? --Brion 01:53 Sep 25, 2002 (UTC)

I've just finished an article on Yael Dayan. --Fernando Rizo

--- Something should be add about his role in the Sinay War, probably his geatest achievement!!!

Possible mix up "His parents were Shmuel and Devorah who were Jewish immigrants from Russia"

and when I look at Sharon's bio "Sharon was born Ariel Scheinermann to Shmuel and Dvora (formerly Vera)"

Both had parent with almost the same first names coming from Russia!

[edit] Trying to disambiguate Vatican

in the phrase "what is this Vatican?"... I don't know which meaning to link it to. Can anyone who understands the context please update the link? Thanks ~ Veledan | Talk | c. 23:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC) disambiguation link repair (You can help!)

• Link removed until/unless someone comes back with a better idea. I think Vatican is being used purely figuratively and that linking to any specific meaning is unhelpful; but then so is linking to the dab page ~ Veledan | Talk | c. 22:42, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mow-shay

How is his name pronounced in English? "Mosh", "Mosh-ee", "Mow-she"? "Mow-see"? I have always mentally read it as "Moshy", but given that it's related to Moses I'm confused. Also, is it "Diane" or "Day-anne"?

In English it is most commonly pronounced "Mo Shuh Dy Anne"

It’s pronounced Mo (rhymes with “go”) sheh (rhymes with first syllable of “level”) Da (rhymes with “spa”) yan (rhymes with “flan”).

[edit] Quote attributed to Moshe Dayan

I heard several people use a quote that they contribute to Moshe Dayan. "Defeat your enemies but do not humiliate them". Is there anybody that could confirm or deny this?

Noam Chomsky quoting Nur Masalha claiming that Moshe Dayan said such-and-such is not a reliable source to attribute a quote to someone. Does anyone have any verifiable source for the "dogs" quote? Otherwise, it should be removed AWN2 02:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rabid Dog

"Israel must be like a rabid dog, so that the rest of the region will be terrified to come near" is also a great quote. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2242/is_1663_285/ai_n6171513/pg_2

[edit] Moshe Dayan - an Armenian Jew?

Forgive me if this sounds a bit far-fetched, but were Moshe Dayan's parents Armenian Jews? I was just wonder because of the "-yan" suffix at the end of his name and the fact that he came from the Soviet Union. -- Clevelander 14:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

"Dayan" means "judge" in Hebrew. So there's no reason to draw that inference from his last name. And he did not come from the Soviet Union, because a) he was born in Deganya, and b) the Soviet Union didn't even exist when he was born. His parents came from Czarist Russia. --Leifern 14:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I meant to say that his parents came from the Soviet Union (in any case I was mistaken about that assertion too, seeing as how he was born in 1915, his parents most definitely came from Tsarist Russia). Thanks for clearing that up. I have no knowledge of Hebrew, but I'm interested in learning about the language. When I saw the "-yan" suffix on "Dayan," I thought that it could have been a shortened form of an Armenian surname. -- Clevelander 19:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting

After a lot of fiddling, I have managed to reformat the opening line so that it displays properly. Previously, the use of double square brackets round the date of birth, immediately following the double brackets round Dayan's name in Hebrew, caused the line to break incorrect, like this: Moshe Dayan, DSO (Hebrew: משה דיין), (May 20, 1915). After much experimenting, I realised that it would only display correctly if there was at least one English character (not a space or punctuation) between the two sets of brackets. So I have plaed a letter in white font: <font color="white">a</font> between the two. This works, but it is clumsy. Does anyone have a better solution? RolandR 11:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

When you mention Israeli territory (not west bank or not gaza strip) before the foundation of Israeli state, you shall name the location as The British Mandate of Palestine, and not Palestine.

[edit] Cause of Death

He is in the categories Category:Colorectal cancer deaths and Category:Deaths by myocardial infarction. The article indicates the latter, but it's unreferenced. William Avery 19:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

• Nine months later this contradiction is still there. Hektor (talk) 13:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Look67.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 00:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] There was no subdivision of the Ottoman Empire called 'Palestine'

There was no entity called Palestine until the British Mandate period.

[edit] DSO

Does anyone have a source for the award of the DSO? I've searched the London Gazette where awards are normally announced, with no luck, but the search engine isn't perfect. I've also tried the army recommendations for awards which are held by The National Archives and nothing's coming up there either. It's possible that as he wasn't strictly a Commonwealth citizen the award didn't go through the normal channels, or perhaps a different tranlisteration of his name was used at the time. David Underdown (talk) 09:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)