Talk:Moscow State University

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[edit] practical visa issues for foreign students

Government just changed visa rules. Foreign students can only stay 3 months now. Seeking verification in the morass of Russian laws and web posts.

[edit] established when

  • "The university was established on January 25 (January 12 old style), 1755 by a decree of Russian Empress Elizabeth." January 25th? Is that correct? This page says it is January 23[1]. I don't know which date is correct, the 23rd or 25th, something to look into. I should note that link is to Moscow State University itself stating it was established on January 25th. Ruy Lopez 06:08, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
http://www.msu.ru/info/history.html - Jan 25. --Gene s 06:29, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Red Star?

I noticed on the picture that there is a star on top of the University.. is that some sort of Soviet emblem or a miscellaneous star? If it ’s related to the USSR, is there any controversy in keeping it? I just ask because I remember something about some discourse and the eventual removal of the star on St. Basil Cathedral. -G

Yes, this is a Soviet emblem. For examble, see Kremlin stars. Moscvitch (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oldest University

There is nothing to argue about. Moscow state university is not the oldest neither in Russia nor former USSR. Papushin 18:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

But the date of its foundation is officially recognized as the day of Russian students. Apparently you *have to* argue about. --Ghirla -трёп- 06:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
MSU is the oldest continuously operating university in Russia, period.  Grue  10:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm MSU graduate myself so it's hard for me but even the link says St. Petersburg university is the oldest one. The only credible link I found on MSU being the oldest was interview of Sadovnichy when he said MSU was "first university created by all rules, with empress decree and inaguration"... very doubtful statement from my opinion, it means university created without Empress decree cannot be the oldest. Kazan university sometimes refered as the oldest in Russia but I cannot find historical evidence on Internet. Yes, I agree that Tatyana's day is the day of Russian students but it's not because MSU was oldest. It was not celebrated as such until last century, it was MSU students day only. (Do you guys congratulate each other with Tatyana's day each year? We do. And if you ask us we don't think it's all-Russian student day...) Papushin 01:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I defended my dissertation in St Pete University and was present during the 275th anniversary festivities there, yet I still feel there is no alternative to Moscow University as the oldest continuously existing university in the country. St Pete University did not function between 1803 and 1819, as my entry in List of oldest universities in continuous operation correctly points out. --Ghirla -трёп- 14:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stub

And why did you guys kill my stub template? Do you think that page about largest university in Russia consisting of 3 small paragraphs can be called something else? Papushin 01:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Please read WP:STUB to learn the rules. After more than 30,000 edits in this project, I don't see what the use of stub templates anyways. --Ghirla -трёп- 14:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
"Short but not short enough to be useless", I guess this is what this article is... Stubs are used to attract attention of people who want to contribute but don't know where from my perspective. Papushin 17:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hubbard room

I once heard that there was a library or a lecture room in the Moscow University that was named after L. Ron Hubbard.

Does anyone know whether this is true? If it is true, does it still have that name?

Thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni 13:18, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Well-to-do petits bourgeois"? "Children of the proletariat"?

Er... where do you get that sort of "impartial info" from? Dahn 16:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] departments

Why do faculties are called departments in the article? --132.73.80.97 14:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Put disputed tag on top of the section. Still waiting for reply. --132.73.80.97 10:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, in Russian they are called факультет ("faculty") and translated into English as "Faculty" at the official website of MSU. According to Wiki definition of the academic department, it is rather a subdivision of the Faculty. I believe, we should change all entries of "department" into "faculty". Cmapm 10:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. --132.73.80.97 10:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soviet years

Almost nothing about the Soviet times. Xx236 16:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 10 months later

Still Soviet propaganda. No names of imprisoned professors and students, no numbers. Nothing about censorship. When talking about science - partially true. But what about philosophy, historiography, econopmy? ALmost none.

The Great Patriotic War against Fascism is probably a Soviet name, Germany was rather Nazi than fascist.Xx236 (talk) 13:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

There is a phrase "Thousands of students were also expelled." - but the bad tsar did it. I bet that the expulsion was not so bad comparing to Gulag.Xx236 (talk) 13:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] University scholars popularized the ideas patriotism

Is the phrase correct? Xx236 (talk) 13:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shalamov was a good writer, but for the history of University it is not notable enough

The History paragraphis unacceptable. Why don't you rewrite it, if you have time to remove Shalamov's name? How many MGU students and professors were arrested? How many were executed? If many - they should be mentioned here. If Shalamov was the one, he should be mentioned as an exception.

A reader should be explained what was the difference between a capitalistic university, eg. the University of Washington, and the MGU. This article doesn't inform. A misinformation is generally worse than lack of information. Xx236 (talk) 10:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)