Talk:Morris R. Jeppson

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1 Time External Link
2 Image Issues
3 Vandalism
4 Theft of government property
5 Image Sourcing

[edit] Time External Link

In the external link section, someone changed the link to goto Wikipedia's definition of Time Magazine. If you look in the discussion under "Enola Gay" there is a discussion about this same link. It is permitted. Please do not revert it again. Davidpdx 09:49, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I happened to click on the Time Magazine link and it sent me to a pay portion of the Time website. I found another link that didn't and posted it. If anyone happens to see this occur again, please let me know and I'll try to fix it. Thanks.. Davidpdx 13:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Issues

If there is a problem with the picture, please let me know. Davidpdx 15:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Apparently someone made some edits to this article that they deemed funny. I've reverted these edits and will subsequently report any further vandalism to the admins. Davidpdx 11:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Theft of government property

If Jeppson hadn't sold them for over $100,000 it wouldn't be such a big deal. If this isn't theft of important government property and conversion, what do you call it? The DOJ went so far as to sue to stop the sale. Do you have something showing that the U.S. Government gave the items as a gift to Jeppson? Oregonic 06:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The article doesn't say they were given to him as a gift, it says he kept them. Do you have a source saying it was theft? Note that the objection does not seem to have been to the fact that Jeppson had the plugs, but that he was selling them. If he had stolen them, he'd have been in trouble for having them at all. Calling him a thief is POV. -- Vary | Talk 06:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

They couldn't sue or charge him with theft because of the statutes of limitations. Saying that he kept them is a polite way of saying that he stole them. Probably due to his age, and lack of prior criminal history. Oregonic 06:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

That's as may be, but if the US government hasn't called him a thief, we can't, either. They may not have been able to prosecute him for theft, but they could have tried to block the sale on the grounds that the plugs were stolen property. They didn't, choosing instead to make a rather weak claim that they were state secrets, probably because they feared it would look bad for a former enlisted man to make a fortune off of a souvenir from his service. -- Vary | Talk 06:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

'Converted' is just unnecessary obfuscation, and there is absolutely no way to prove - and no reason to think - that he kept the plugs planning to sell them fifty years later. -- Vary | Talk 06:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed the [1] and took out part that made it look like he planned it, but it is a clear case of conversion for which the statues of limitation stopped the government from using to stop the sale. Oregonic 07:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

If it's a 'clear case' of conversion, it should be easy provide a source that uses that wording. Because it still looks like you're attempting to allege wrongdoing without providing a source, in violation of Wikipedia's policies on biographies of living persons. -- Vary | Talk 07:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's clear that Orgaonic has a political agenda in terms of calling this person a thief. Again he wasn't prosecuted for anything and when the goverment stepped in they only tried to claim interest of national security, not theft. If you continue to push your edits, I will report it to an administrator. Davidpdx 08:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Sourced "taken" from BBC as per http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/americas/2046382.stm Oregonic 08:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted the article back to the pre-pov version before (Oct 9). Please do not revert it again. Davidpdx 08:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Now that I have sourced "taken" it is clearly you, Jeppson's grandson that has made this article your POV. You should let Vary and myself work this out. I have done no reverts only improved it each time. Oregonic 08:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

But you re-added the term 'conversion' and the implication that he did it so he could turn a profit later, without providing any sources. The statement that he made money from the plugs' sale is already in the article, so it doesn't need to go in the place where you're putting it, other than as a replacement for your previous claim that he took the plugs specifically so he could sell them later. The allegation of conversion is unsourced and thus can't stay in the article per WP:BLP.

And if you think you haven't done any reverting, I urge you to read WP:3RR, which goes into detail about what does and does not constitute a revert. -- Vary | Talk 09:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes I did write the article. So yes it was written from my point of view. I never thought someone would post such vindictive crap though, which makes me regret writing the article.

There are several things you fail to recognize. First, the article says nothing about the plugs being stolen. The exact line from the article, "The plugs had been put up for sale by Morris Jeppson, a crew member of the Enola Gay who had taken the parts from the plane." says that he took them, but that does not imply that they were stolen. Second, you are not privy to the conversations that he may or may not have had during or after the mission. Third, your pushing the idea that they were stolen is pushing an agenda.

Finally, as Very has pointed out you have violated the 3RR rule. If you want to post on Wikipedia fine. At least be willing to read and follow the rules. Davidpdx 10:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Sourcing

Since there has been a problem with adequately sourcing the origonal photo used in this article, I have replaced it with Image:Jeppson Tibbets Van Kirk.jpg for at least the time being until I can find the proper sourcing. I have contacted the Air Force to see if they can help me track down the source to get it released. Most likely Image:Richard Jeppson.gif will be deleted in the mean time. I will upload it again, once I have found out the informaton needed. Davidpdx 02:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)