Talk:Morotai Mutiny

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[edit] Congratulations

This is an excellent article. I've often heard of this incident but this is the first consise account I've been able to find. --Nick Dowling 10:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, mate. Well, it was a fascinating cast of characters. Caldwell's the popular hero who always gets a mention, and rightly so, but Arthur (also a nominal Group Captain, at the ripe old age of 24) laid the groundwork, so hopefully we've got a decent balance there. Ian Rose 12:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, well done Ian. It's almost up to Featured Article standard. Grant | Talk 01:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
A photo would help, though I'm not sure of what. Cranky looking or bored fighter pilots perhaps? --Nick Dowling 10:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I just found and added what I think is a suitable photo. AWM OG3381 is similar, but the body language seems more hostile in AWM OG3380. --Nick Dowling 10:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Nice one, Nick, took the words right out out of my mouth - a photo was exactly what it needed next. Hadn't seen that one before, looks good. Cheers, Ian Rose 14:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, very good choice. I have just used MS Picture Manager to crop the black edges off and turn the "saturation" down, as Harry and Clive were looking a bit green. The AWM don't always go to much trouble when they scan their pics. Still a great resource though.Grant | Talk 15:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

AWM also has a pic from 1945 (VIC1638) that I first saw in a book and considered using in addition to the Cobby/Caldwell one we already have, namely Jones and Kenney looking surprisingly cordial - though the fact that it appears to have been taken in Manila, not Morotai, might make it a somewhat less perfect fit. WDYT? Cheers, Ian Rose 16:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
That's pretty good. I was tempted to add a photo from the AWM database which shows a memorial service held at Morotai in October 1945 for two Spitfire pilots killed during ground attack missions (P02482.007 or P02482.006 ). There are also lots of photos of Caldwell surrounded by adoring pilots which tends to suggest where the senior pilots gained the confidence to 'mutiny'. --Nick Dowling 08:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
There is also OG2425 from 11/4/45, nine days before the mutiny, which shows Cobby pinning a U.S. Silver Star on a pilot as Gibson looks on. They all look hot and bothered. Grant | Talk 10:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Chronology

There seems to be a slight discrepancy between this and the Caldwell article. In this article we are told that charges had already been laid against Caldwell prior to the "mutiny", the article on Caldwell himself only mentions the charges after the events at Morotai. I don't have the sources to striaghten this out. David Underdown (talk) 17:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Per the sources here, Caldwell was under charge by Cobby for alcohol trafficking before the "mutiny". The investigation and the court martial, however, took place afterwards. So the statement in the Caldwell article that "In the last months of the war Caldwell was implicated in an investigation into an alcohol racket in Morotai..." is strictly not incorrect - but could be reworded. Something along these lines, possibly:
Prior to the "mutiny", Caldwell had been charged over his involvement in an alcohol racket on Morotai, where liquor was flown in by RAAF aircraft and then sold to the sizable U.S. forces contingent in the locality. He was court martialled in January 1946 and reduced to the rank of Flight Lieutenant.
WDYT? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
That should work, the present wording int he Caldwell article makes it seem (even more so) that the court-martial was a way at getting back at him for involvement in the "mutiny". David Underdown (talk) 11:11, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Cool - I'll update/cite in the Caldwell article. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article=Passed

Congratulations. The only criticism I have on this article is that it could use to be expanded, and it could be more thouroghly referenced. Cheers, ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ Drop me a line§ 14:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Featured article?

Ian, are you interested in taking this article to FA standard? I think that a copy-edit from an editor with a fresh pair of eyes is all that would be required to get it there... Nick Dowling (talk) 07:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence there, Nick. I've been concentrating just recently on putting a little more meat onto Richard Williams to nominate that for FA but I guess I've always thought this one was of the right standard for it at some stage. My only concern used be to that, even though we all say length isn't that important for FA, this one might still be considered a bit light in that department. However 1960 South Vietnamese coup attempt and 1962 South Vietnamese Independence Palace bombing, to name two, are no bigger and they've had the nod. There is a limit to how much you can put into something like this without overdoing it. Yes, why not? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've requested a copy-edit at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Logistics/Copy-editing/Requests Nick Dowling (talk) 23:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)