Talk:Morlachs
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[edit] Stara Vlaška
Where exactly is this Stara Vlaška region of Croatia? The only Stara Vlaška I know is a street in Zagreb :)
- Well, this region was really, really small: it was kept in a box in a shop of that Zagreb street. :)
My googling shows that it would be either be in Macedonia and Thessaly, or in the interior of "old Servia", or in Bosnia, which are all similarly ambiguous. The EB1911 goes into a bit more detail saying how Morlacchia came to be applied to pretty much all of modern Dalmatia, Bosnia and Slavonia, but that doesn't help the confusion... --Joy [shallot] 20:49, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- It appears that it was indeed in Bosnia, not Croatia. BTW, searching for this I also found some interesting stuff on the Timok Vlachs of Serbia. [1] Bogdan | Talk 21:20, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The page on Zlatibor now mentions Stari Vlah - look into that. --Joy [shallot] 9 July 2005 13:05 (UTC)
[edit] Some link
I found a reference on a website (not necessarily reliable, I think it was [[2]]) that said that Morovlachs meant 'Sea Vlachs'. I'm sure that's wrong, because 'Moro'/'Mavro' is more likely from a Greek word meaning 'black/brown'. But the explanation given on the site is that these Vlachs originally lived on the Sea coast (Dalmatia or Albania). Alexander 007 05:25, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- According to this paper, Black means North and White means South. Well, it fits here and also fits on the Black Cumania (in Ukraine) and White Cumania (in Wallachia). Anyway, this is similar to the way North and South are named in Romanian:
[edit] Krk
The references to Morlachs on the island of Krk (=Veglia, where Dalmatian speakers were settled) is leading me to suspect that "Morlachs" may have included Dalmatian speakers (included may be an understatement). I'm just guessing however. What evidence is there that these Morlachs were speakers of an Eastern Romance language, as opposed to some Dalmatian type language? That they were referred to as "Vlachs" (usually, Maurovlachs, however) proves nothing, since Italians have also been referred to as Vlachs. Any real references on this (the first external link in the Wiki article is not reliable to me, while the second one is vague AFAIS)? Do any Istro-Romanians identify as "Morlachs"? Would this prove that the Morlachs were ancestors of the Istro-Romanians? Maybe the ethnonym was just passed on. Perhaps someone will come forth with evidence/references. I didn't notice any convincing evidence in the article. Alexander 007 11:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stupid question
Is there any connection between the name "Morlach" and "Morlock" (from H.G. Wells' books). Just wondering, perhaps it is a coincidence... - FrancisTyers 17:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
- No there isn't ...
[edit] infobox
| Morlachs |
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| Image:Vlachs.JPG |
| Total population |
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250,000 est |
| Regions with significant populations |
| Bosnia Albania Romania Republic of Macedonia Bulgaria |
| Languages |
| Romanian and other languages in the areas in which they live |
| Religions |
| Eastern Orthodoxy, others |
| Related ethnic groups |
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• Vlachs |
what's wrong with this inforbox? Can anyone tell me why is reverted? --Preacher, or Princelet 13:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Erm, what's the source for the population figure? I'd say that Morlachs are practically extinct, i.e. assimilated into Slavic peoples around. For God's sake, only 22 people in Croatia assert the Morlach ethnicity, and I doubt anyone speaks the language anymore. Duja 07:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dubious assertion
From the article:
The first phase of that proactive assimilation of Morlachs took place in Herzegovina and Montenegro where they not only were accepting the language of the local Slavs (now identified Serbs), but also turning it into a new Slavic language "novoshtokavian" which would later serve as the base for Serbo-Croatian. But the fact that the Morlachs in the Western Balkan never reached the level of a nation, and had not given it their proper name resulted in recent disintegration of the Serbo-Croatian into Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian language.
Are you saying that Morlachs were responsible for generation of neo-shtokavian??? OMG! Morlachs are also responsible for disintegration of Serbo-Croatian??? That should better be backed up with some reliable sources. Otherwise, it doesn't belong to the article. Duja 10:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Added link to Croatian Wikipedia
--kliker 02:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Assimilation
Part of the article says that "eventually most Morlachs linguistically assimilated the local Slavs." This statement is unclear, does it mean that the Slavs were assimilated into the Morlach population, or the Morlachs were assimilated into the Slav population? Later in the article it says the latter, but that happened much later. This should probably be cleared up.Rcduggan (talk) 13:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
