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In Stephen King's Dark Tower series, Mordred is the half son of Roland of Gilead. He is named because of his destiny to kill his father.

What is a half son?--Cuchullain 05:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The date of Mordred's death could also be 539. Can we incorprate that? 216.43.124.150 20:51, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Have there been any stories in which Mordred is actually on Arthur's side - and how the events were interpreted as their being on opposing sides?

Jackiespeel 22:09, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

There aren't any stories where Mordred and Arthur are on the same side at Camlann, though in most stories Mordred starts out on Arthur's side, as one of the Knights of the Round Table. --Cúchullain t/c 17:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I have heard that as a theory, though. I'll see if I can find where I saw it, and if it's actually legit. DuctapeDaredevil 02:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Check out the opening chapter of A Coalition of Lions, by Elizabeth E. Wein. —Mhari* 21:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] upset about the misuse of an important character.

every book i read it has some sort of reference to mordred. it strange but true, think about it! in every good trilogy theres a mordred to be the bad guy, wich by the way i dont like at all seeing as it was his farther who is in the wrong to begin with, not that anyone ever pionts this at any time.

From very upset —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.14.53.15 (talk • contribs) 07:29, 13 June 2006

depends what legend you are taking that statement from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.43.217 (talk) 22:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Once and Future King

The once and future king is a good book. I have to read it for school. The first section is by far the best. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.33.79.76 (talk) 18:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] The form 'Mordred'

The form 'Mordred' is found only in the French romances and should really have been avoided. The correct modern Welsh form is Medrod, which was changed to Modredus (Modred) in Geoffrey of Monmouth's ripping yarn. --Henrywgc 23:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Avoided where? If you mean in this article, Wikipedia goes by common names, and Mordred is certainly the most common version today.--Cúchullain t/c 00:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm not going to get into that arguement! Just to observe that Medrod is the 'common' Welsh name (see Bartrum P.C. 'A Classical Welsh Dictionary') and that 'Mordred' is at least two steps removed from the authentic name of the character of British legend. But, as you like it. --Henrywgc 11:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand. Are you saying we should rename the article to "Modred" and refer to him as such? If that's the case, we should not. At this point the character has little to do with his origins in shadowy early British legend, and he has a common name in English (this is the English wikipedia). It can even be argued that the "Modred" of Geoffrey's History of the Kings of Britain is not at all based on the Welsh figure. At any rate Wikipedia's naming conventions go for what is the common name for an article; Ghengis Khan is not "Chinggis". If you are arguing that our Welsh transliteration is wrong, you may have a case. However, "Medraut" (or "Medrawt" or "Medravt") is equally or more common in the early references to the character, and is preffered by the reference I use, Rachel Bromwich' Trioedd Ynys Prydein.--Cúchullain t/c 21:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I've included both the "Medraut" and "Medrod" spellings per this discussion. Does that clear things up?--Cúchullain t/c 21:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's a reasonable solution - I see the problem (and you don't really want to get into TYP's orthography i.e. 'Medra6t'). As you say, there is even some doubt as to whether 'Modred' is really the same as Welsh 'Medrod' (was it Kenneth Jackson who thought it was a seperate Cornish/Breton personal name?). Anyway, sorry to have rocked the boat. --Henrywgc 14:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The discussion has been productive, I think the article has been improved. You're right about me avoiding the TYP's "6" orthography, and it was in fact Jackson who suggested "Mordred" and "Medrod" were different. --Cúchullain t/c 19:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the book of mordred

i would just like to point out that mordred is not always portrayed as a villain. in The Book of Mordred he is the good guy and at the end, he fights arthur, but does not kill him. arthur and he accidentally wound each other, and mordred is willing to sacrifice himself to ensure that arthur lives. in the end, they both live. i think the article touches on that, but i just wanted to reinforce it, because it wasnt very clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.117.60 (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Good or Bad?

In the original reference (Annals Cambriae)simply says they both died. Was there any indication he was bad from the early or Welsh sources? If not, this should probably be mentioned in the article. ---G.T.N. (talk) 23:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In pop culture

In the Ducktales episode "Sir Gyro de Gearloose", the villain's name is Lessdred (an obvious parody on the name Mordred). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.223.44.236 (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)